While I agree people are generally ****e, this is a design and assembly problem that cannot be denied.

If you chose to pretend it doesn't exist, congratulations, you just made the "People who ignore facts to support their faith" list, a list I generally ignore because I can't be assed to explain to a wall why it's a wall.
 
They must have been watching this thread or paid by @IMFASTTOO to issue it! ;):D:roll::roll::roll::roll:



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A Warranty Is Not Permission To Thrash Your Bike
2. June 2017 Hannah Lifestyle (0)


These days, most manufacturers offer great warranties on their motorcycles…but as any dealer will tell you, some riders will neglect maintenance on their bikes altogether, expecting the warranty to cover everything (and are upset when it doesn’t.) We got dealer’s side of the story to get you the inside scoop on warranty claims, to show you how you can make sure you get covered every time.



These days, as consumers, we’ve become accustomed to getting warranties on just about every machine or device we buy. In today’s competitive marketplace, we expect companies to stand behind the products they make, and warranties exist not only to make sure manufacturers are building products of high-quality, but to give the buyers confidence that they have a recourse if something does fail when it shouldn’t.

But while warranties are good for consumers and manufacturers alike when they are used properly, they can also become the source of tension between the them when warranty terms or claims get disputed. We’ve all heard horror stories of certain models of motorcycles or other vehicles being plagued with problems that need to be fixed under warranty – and even worse, other stories of problems that people think should be fixed under warranty, but end up not being covered. As fundamental a component of modern vehicle sales as a warranty is, they can also be a persistent source of dispute.

But over time, warranties have gotten better and longer – and, more and more, some people have unreasonable expectations when it comes to warranties, expecting them to cover every problem a bike might have (even when the problem is on a standard wear item, or worse, when it is due to neglect or abuse by the owner.) In the motorcycle market, and even more so in the automotive market, it is a common dealer complaint that the better a warranty is, the more people tend to neglect their vehicles.

So to shed some light on what is such a controversial topic, we spoke to dealers about the most common misunderstandings they see when it comes to warranties, what kinds of warranty complaints they see the most, and how you can “C.Y.A.” to make sure you’ll be covered in the unfortunate event that your bike ends up in the shop with a warranty claim.



The Difference Between Car Warranties and Motorcycle Warranties
One point that was brought up several times among the dealers we spoke with is that motorcycle riders – especially newer ones – tend to have high expectations for how long warranties will last, and what they will cover, and those high expectations come from the world of automobiles. While a short car warranty might be 3-years/36,000 miles, with longer ones stretching out to 7 years and up to 100,000 miles, most motorcycle warranties are only one year in duration. Some are longer, with Harley-Davidson stretching warranty coverage to 24 months, and BMW leading the pack in OEM warranties with coverage for 3 years or 36,000 miles.

In other words, the longest motorcycle warranty is as long as the shortest car warranty. Simply put, warranties just aren’t as good on motorcycles as they are on cars – they are higher-performance machines that tend to be run a lot harder, personalized more, and there is just more that can go wrong.

So the first step in staying out of warranty trouble on your bike is knowing how long it lasts, and exactly what it will cover. Forget about any expectations of how long warranties might last from the car world – even if you have a bike from a company that also makes cars, like Honda or BMW, the warranties between the automotive and motorcycle divisions will be completely different.



Why Warranty Disputes Happen
We’ve all had something go wrong with a vehicle while it was under warranty, and had that uneasy feeling wondering if - for some reason - the dealer won’t cover whatever went wrong, and how much it will cost to fix. It’s an uncomfortable feeling, but in most cases, dealers and manufacturers are happy to fix things that go wrong with their merchandise.

This picture and the following are of a rear caliper on a BMW that actually caught fire while being ridden. The bike had around 20K miles on it, but it was clearly a defective part, and BMW was happy to cover the repairs of this unusual problem under warranty.


Alternate view of the faulty caliper.


But there are also those times when the owner of a bike ends up in a dispute with a dealership or manufacturer over something they think should be covered, and usually, this is for one of two reasons: either they are unclear about, or have unreasonable expectations of, what is actually covered; or, they neglected to do their own part in maintaining the bike, causing a problem to arise from neglect instead of from poor quality or workmanship.
 
The Most Common Warranty Disputes
The dealers we spoke to listed the following items as the most common areas of dispute when it comes to warranties:

Batteries: batteries are covered under manufacturers warranties, but the most common reason they fail is operator neglect – usually the result of failing to ride enough miles to keep the battery charged, and also not putting it on a tender while not in use. If the battery is defective, it will be covered – but if it died because of poor maintenance practices, it’s a toss-up.

Brakes – Pads and Rotors: Brakes, just like tires, oil, and filters, are a wear item – if they are doing their jobs and working properly, they will wear down over time. However, because some riders are used to the “bumper-to-bumper” coverage they have on their cars, they think even brakes wearing out should be covered under warranty – but unless there is an actual problem with them, they aren’t.

Clutches: Like brakes, these are a wear item – as long as they are doing what they are supposed to do, they will wear over time. Most clutches last a very long time under normal use, but dealers do often see clutches wear fast from hard use or improper riding (i.e. dragging the clutch.)

Lightbulbs: Manufacturers seem to be split on this; they often will be covered under warranty, but they are considered a wear item, and often have limited coverage under manufacturers warranty policies.


“But Dealers Make a Ton of Money On Warranties – Why Don’t They Fix All They Can?”

When a warranty claim is made, it is the vehicle manufacturer footing the bill – they simply rely on their expansive dealer network to provide the service to you. When something is fixed under warranty, the dealer is simply sending the bill to the OEM, rather than sending it to you.

But it is mostly a myth that dealerships make “a ton of money” on warranty services, but most dealerships don’t really make much money on them – OEMs service a lot of warranty claims, and tend to be very good at not overpaying for services. To cover warranty services, OEMs have almost every possible service codified, with timeframes associated with every one – and those timeframes don’t tend to be very generous.

Sure, a skilled tech can often beat “book times” on a job if he is fast and knows a few shortcuts, completing an 8 hour job in 5 or 6 hours, for example – but these jobs are the exception, not the norm. For the most part, dealerships break even on warranty service, and they are more motivated by retaining customer loyalty and making more sales in the future by doing good warranty service, than they are by making money on the work.


A Warranty Is Not An Excuse To Thrash Your Bike

Aside from misunderstandings or inflated expectations about what warranties cover, some customers simply use warranty coverage as an excuse to not maintain their bikes at all. One interesting trend we discovered was that brands with higher-end bikes and longer warranty periods tended to see this more – Harley-Davidson and BMW dealers both said this seemed to be a much more common problem than Big Four dealers did, presumably because they have higher expectations of both the bike itself and the warranty coverage.



Here's an interesting warranty claim - a rider had been using a pressure washer to wash his bike, forcing water into the drive shaft and wheel bearings. The parts were heavily rusted out even though the bike was less than a year old. Though he was in the wrong due to improper maintenance, the manufacturer covered this, because he genuinely did not know he was causing this to happen.


This is why you don't use a pressure washer on your bike!


The key thing to remember here is that, regardless of how generous a warranty is, you as the owner do have to hold up your end of the deal by maintaining your bike properly. If you don’t do the maintenance, or make sure it is done, you are essentially violating a contract – and the manufacturer may not cover your service. In the interest of keeping up their reputation, they often will err on the side of the customer – but some bikes are so neglected, the manufacturer will simply say “sorry, no can do.”

To illustrate, check out this line from Harley-Davidson's warranty policy: "As a condition of this warranty, you are responsible for properly using, maintaining, and caring for your motorcycle as outlined in your Owner Manual. Harley-Davidson recommends that you maintain copies of all maintenance records and receipts."


How to Make Sure You’re Always Covered

For the most part, warranties exist to keep customers happy, and they do a pretty good job of that. But to mitigate any future issues, there are a few things to know and do:

1) Read the fine print - know what your warranty covers. Nobody likes reading “the fine print,” but doing it up front can avoid costly issues later. Know how long you’ll be covered, for how many miles, and what parts are and are not covered. In addition, look for exceptions to warranty rules – for example, BMW motorcycles have a 3-year warranty, but the battery itself is limited to only 2 years of coverage.

2) Keep up scheduled maintenance – plain and simple. Manufacturers want to make sure their products work well and that you are a happy customer, but with complex machinery, you have to do your part and maintain it. If the dealer does it and keeps service records, great – that means they have all records on file. If you’re one who likes to do your own maintenance, you can still get warranty coverage – you just have to be a lot more meticulous about documenting your own work. Keeping a log of maintenance you performed will be invaluable should you have a warranty claim arise, and keeping receipts of parts and materials you used is even better.

Heavily warped clutch plates on a customer bike. The cause of this was actually a customer modification to the bike which voided the factory warranty.


3) Establish a relationship with your dealer. “Dealerships are people too,” and developing a relationship with your dealer will help you if and when problems arise with warranty coverage – especially if it comes down to a dispute with the manufacturer themselves, because the dealership will be the one in the middle advocating for you. Even if you do your service yourself, cultivate a relationship with your dealer, and let them know how you like the bike from time to time. One little-advertised fact is that dealerships for some brands can actually extend warranty coverage past the policy period under extenuating circumstances – and they are a lot more likely to do this for a great customer than for someone who appeared for the first time demanding expensive warranty work.
 
They must have been watching this thread or paid by @IMFASTTOO to issue it! ;):D:roll::roll::roll::roll:



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A Warranty Is Not Permission To Thrash Your Bike
2. June 2017 Hannah Lifestyle (0)


These days, most manufacturers offer great warranties on their motorcycles…but as any dealer will tell you, some riders will neglect maintenance on their bikes altogether, expecting the warranty to cover everything (and are upset when it doesn’t.) We got dealer’s side of the story to get you the inside scoop on warranty claims, to show you how you can make sure you get covered every time.



These days, as consumers, we’ve become accustomed to getting warranties on just about every machine or device we buy. In today’s competitive marketplace, we expect companies to stand behind the products they make, and warranties exist not only to make sure manufacturers are building products of high-quality, but to give the buyers confidence that they have a recourse if something does fail when it shouldn’t.

But while warranties are good for consumers and manufacturers alike when they are used properly, they can also become the source of tension between the them when warranty terms or claims get disputed. We’ve all heard horror stories of certain models of motorcycles or other vehicles being plagued with problems that need to be fixed under warranty – and even worse, other stories of problems that people think should be fixed under warranty, but end up not being covered. As fundamental a component of modern vehicle sales as a warranty is, they can also be a persistent source of dispute.

But over time, warranties have gotten better and longer – and, more and more, some people have unreasonable expectations when it comes to warranties, expecting them to cover every problem a bike might have (even when the problem is on a standard wear item, or worse, when it is due to neglect or abuse by the owner.) In the motorcycle market, and even more so in the automotive market, it is a common dealer complaint that the better a warranty is, the more people tend to neglect their vehicles.

So to shed some light on what is such a controversial topic, we spoke to dealers about the most common misunderstandings they see when it comes to warranties, what kinds of warranty complaints they see the most, and how you can “C.Y.A.” to make sure you’ll be covered in the unfortunate event that your bike ends up in the shop with a warranty claim.



The Difference Between Car Warranties and Motorcycle Warranties
One point that was brought up several times among the dealers we spoke with is that motorcycle riders – especially newer ones – tend to have high expectations for how long warranties will last, and what they will cover, and those high expectations come from the world of automobiles. While a short car warranty might be 3-years/36,000 miles, with longer ones stretching out to 7 years and up to 100,000 miles, most motorcycle warranties are only one year in duration. Some are longer, with Harley-Davidson stretching warranty coverage to 24 months, and BMW leading the pack in OEM warranties with coverage for 3 years or 36,000 miles.

In other words, the longest motorcycle warranty is as long as the shortest car warranty. Simply put, warranties just aren’t as good on motorcycles as they are on cars – they are higher-performance machines that tend to be run a lot harder, personalized more, and there is just more that can go wrong.

So the first step in staying out of warranty trouble on your bike is knowing how long it lasts, and exactly what it will cover. Forget about any expectations of how long warranties might last from the car world – even if you have a bike from a company that also makes cars, like Honda or BMW, the warranties between the automotive and motorcycle divisions will be completely different.



Why Warranty Disputes Happen
We’ve all had something go wrong with a vehicle while it was under warranty, and had that uneasy feeling wondering if - for some reason - the dealer won’t cover whatever went wrong, and how much it will cost to fix. It’s an uncomfortable feeling, but in most cases, dealers and manufacturers are happy to fix things that go wrong with their merchandise.

This picture and the following are of a rear caliper on a BMW that actually caught fire while being ridden. The bike had around 20K miles on it, but it was clearly a defective part, and BMW was happy to cover the repairs of this unusual problem under warranty.


Alternate view of the faulty caliper.


But there are also those times when the owner of a bike ends up in a dispute with a dealership or manufacturer over something they think should be covered, and usually, this is for one of two reasons: either they are unclear about, or have unreasonable expectations of, what is actually covered; or, they neglected to do their own part in maintaining the bike, causing a problem to arise from neglect instead of from poor quality or workmanship.
I am a dealer and Ive seen and heard it all
 
Na listen to him and the news he lives in Philly home of crack heads and Needle park They just hit the news the other night I should by stock in NARCAN :D
 
Na listen to him and the news he lives in Philly home of crack heads and Needle park They just hit the news the other night I should by stock in NARCAN :D
I dont live in PHILLY thank GOD PHILLY is left wing sanctuary city loaded with illegals hiding from cops lots of illegal drug dealers and radical muslim terrorists hiding out in that city its a real mess thanks to the DEMOCRAPS
 
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