Was Disappointed With The GIPRO

[rocket31998]

It only affects the timing (other than T's problem) and speed limiter, that's why removing the secondaries, triple filters, exhaust and a PCIII work so well in combination with it. If you just want all the power the bike has in all 5 gears even though its stock, just install a GiPro and pull out the secondaries. That way you have the timing retard and throttle restrictions both gone.
I know a TuneBoy guy will say that TB will do all that, but for those of us who don't want to get into all that tinkering and like to be able to just unplug a few things for a stock bike again, it's perfect (and we have a gear indicator).
And you can cram all the fuel and air down its throat you want, but with the timing retarded you'll never get it to burn properly. Some of you might be too young to have played with points, but if you have, you know what a dog a car/bike can be if the distributor is retarded or the vacuum advance is unhooked/broken.

I bought the GIPro even though I already has done the TORS, TB, Triple Filters Mod. My reasoning besides wanting the gear indicator, is that I can still bring it back to stock if I need to. I've been reading more and more about the government taking control of bike decibles and emissions. It's great to know that I can bring it back to stock and have the kind of power I have gotten accustomed to!

 

[Joker]

There lies the difference. I don't want (or anticipate the need) to revert to stock. For one thing I would have a lot of stuff to change. Remove the SC, change exhausts, etc, etc. For another it's less likely that we in the UK will have such retrospective draconian laws imposed on us, and my current MOT Tester ignores the ones we have now anyway, and he's unlikely to be any more rigorous with new ones. I'll continue to use the throttle to chosse between 1 and 293 bhp.

 

[rocket31998]

There lies the difference. I don't want (or anticipate the need) to revert to stock. For one thing I would have a lot of stuff to change. Remove the SC, change exhausts, etc, etc. For another it's less likely that we in the UK will have such retrospective draconian laws imposed on us, and my current MOT Tester ignores the ones we have now anyway, and he's unlikely to be any more rigorous with new ones. I'll continue to use the throttle to chosse between 1 and 293 bhp.

I would have to change alot too, but it's all in the closet just in case! Better than buying it all again if they go crazy with regulation here!

 

[captain jack]

There lies the difference. I don't want (or anticipate the need) to revert to stock. For one thing I would have a lot of stuff to change. Remove the SC, change exhausts, etc, etc. For another it's less likely that we in the UK will have such retrospective draconian laws imposed on us, and my current MOT Tester ignores the ones we have now anyway, and he's unlikely to be any more rigorous with new ones. I'll continue to use the throttle to chosse between 1 and 293 bhp.

You have more faith than me, all I see is a police state being born & fast getting to adolescence.

BTW I'm up in the north west of Cheshire, Runcorn on the water might see you at Broxton some day.

 

[barbagris]

It only affects the timing (other than T's problem) and speed limiter, that's why removing the secondaries, triple filters, exhaust and a PCIII work so well in combination with it. If you just want all the power the bike has in all 5 gears even though its stock, just install a GiPro and pull out the secondaries. That way you have the timing retard and throttle restrictions both gone.

Ok - as far as I understand - all a GiPro really does is tell the ECM you're in a different gear to that you're really in as well as tell you which gear you're really in (if it's calibrated correctly naturally). Correct?.

If so then surely this is how the ECM knows which maps to use. If so then surely it's altering the secondaries as well - I.E in modes 3&4 it opens the secondaries to 100% anyway, as the ECM is convinced it's in 4th all the time.

I've tried modes 1 and 2 - 2 might just be useful in pouring rain. I'm using 4 mostly. btw mine remembers which mode it's in if it loses power. Don't ask

All the baby now really needs is to BREATHE. Give me time - I've only had it 2 weeks. Mapping - not sure if I'll dyno remap or PCV!. Remapping sounds more fun somehow.

 

[Leif Almberg]

Ok - as far as I understand - all a GiPro really does is tell the ECM you're in a different gear to that you're really in as well as tell you which gear you're really in (if it's calibrated correctly naturally). Correct?.

If so then surely this is how the ECM knows which maps to use. If so then surely it's altering the secondaries as well - I.E in modes 3&4 it opens the secondaries to 100% anyway, as the ECM is convinced it's in 4th all the time.

I've tried modes 1 and 2 - 2 might just be useful in pouring rain. I'm using 4 mostly. btw mine remembers which mode it's in if it loses power. Don't ask

All the baby now really needs is to BREATHE. Give me time - I've only had it 2 weeks. Mapping - not sure if I'll dyno remap or PCV!. Remapping sounds more fun somehow.

you are correct. the GIPro mimics another gear, 4th I believe, to the ECU.
nowadays instead of buying the GIPro for $100 or whatever you can just buy or borrow a OBDII cable and download TuneECU, free of charge.
load the map into TuneECU, set secs to 100% and copy ignition tables to be the same on all gears.

this is in every way the same thing as (one of the modes) GIpro.

 

[barbagris]

this is in every way the same thing as (one of the modes) GIpro.

Hi Leif - I saw your post on this. I bought the Gi for the indicator bit really. But seemed dumb not to get ATRE for a measly 9 €uros extra. The GiPro has one tiny advantage. You can "fool" the ECM into different ignition/secondary "maps" by putting the bike in neutral and pushing a button. Now is somebody comes up with a way to dynamically switch maps using TuneECU - that would be interesting. Maybe using GiPro as simply a switch.

AFAIU - Gipro Mode 1 forces the 2nd gear map into all gears - Mode 2 forces 3rd gear - mode 3 forces 4th gear and mode 4 forces 4th into 2nd-5th leaving 1st as 1st. N is always N.

If this is really it - THEN one could have (for example) several maps. Say a leaner touring map and a racy map. Maybe a bad weather map. Right now I cant really see any need (we've 40ºC temps right now) - but.........

 

[Leif Almberg]

yes it is hard to change the ECU dynamically. you have to turn of the engine, pull up the laptop and download a new tune.

I agree that pushing a button on the gipro is easier!

The reason I posted about the alternative, using TuneECU, is because everybody that I know of always has the GIPro on the same setting, which is open secs and ignition timing the same in all gears.

one or two guys will perhaps change setting, but still don't need to do it on the fly!
call it garagetime and have a beer at the same time that you alter the tune

 

[HellFire]

I've tried modes 1 and 2 - 2 might just be useful in pouring rain. I'm using 4 mostly. btw mine remembers which mode it's in if it loses power. Don't ask

Just remember that setting #4 puts 1st gear back to stock. It's a handy little setting I use in the rain or when the wife is riding with me, keeps the wheel from spinning too easily. Setting #3 is what gives me the best overall performance, but you have to respect having full power available when you take off. The 7% power reduction in 1-3 was Triumphs way of taming the beast for the inexperienced.
I still feel it's the best $150 I ever spent, I love the gadget.

 

[Hardy]

as written in the other post:

After doing the GIpro I felt a uncomfortable bucking in lower speed. I run the GIpro on mod 3 (full power in all gears). The bucking cam from the lean adjustment for Gas in the standard mapping.

After getting TuneECU I installed the 20366 map. This is the original Triumph Map comes with the race exhaust. Using this 20366 map solved all the problems. The Rocket now behaves like a rocket. I think this is just incredable. This mod costs about 150 € in total and it is a complete change in power.

Now you can even the touring call a real beast. I am totally happy!

Download the Map 20366 from Toms Page Link