OK Warp I will answer, firstly the deadhorse stinks. Funny how I can run up a 250hp R3 with 195ft with no wheelspin? Or a blown 235 ft lb plus R3 for that matter. Probably because I tie them down well and I am not running it up on a 17 yr old DJ160 with no load control and a worn out drum. Phil, all of pretty much anything is fair to say. Who gives a toss? What is not fair to say is post # 89 by your friend IMFASTOO. It is misleading and inaccurate. Go back and read it. He claims to have acheived figures the same as the graph shown with "just cams" , he says it in print in post #89. It is NOT true. We then go on for 25 pages or so about every other thing in Bob's catalogue, but dodge the actual claim or fact. The JUST CAMS now turns into a $4570Au package of parts. THAT is definately it for me. I apologise in advance for returning to this thread.