Talk to me about gear

[CanberraR3]

Why the long arguments? It's a no brainier really; the more you protect yourself the more protected you are. End of story. Just like insurance, it's a matter of personal choice - cost (comfort, convenience, image, whatever) v peace of mind. Does it really matter if a modular is as safe as a full face? Fact is any protection is better than no protection. Pick the point on the line where you want to be.

I like this thread because it presented some ideas about good compromise gear, such as vented jackets etc, not because it has proven one way or the other what gear is safest.

 

[warp9.9]

One thing I remember about my off was watching the clear shield on my Shark modular helmet gring off on the road like grating cheese for a pizza. Every vent was also grond off but at no time did the chin bar release or give away. I am sure I would be uglier then I am if it weren't for the helmet. Infact even though I got a black eye not even my prescription glasses were damaged in anyway. I for one am sold on Shark helmets when it comes to street riding. I did realise that spine protetion is very important and will invest in that for all my jackets. I am glad I had the CE shoulder, elbow, and knee gurds in my gear. I although it was only some tough foam I believe the hip protection in the Triumph gear helped soften the blows I receved. All in all I am pleased with the Triumph riding gear when comes to hitting the road a bunch of times

 

[TriumPhil]

But we are NOT comparing open face vs. full face...

We are looking for statistics comparing full face vs. modular (full coverage with a hinged opening mechanism)

No, we are not, Andrew - you are. You can opine all you like and you are entitled to whatever opinion you choose. I'll stick with basic engineering fact and as for as protection for my head is concerned I will abide by what the pros choose to nearly the 100th percentile.

It is physically impossible for a hinged, locking modular to have equal or greater integrity than a rigid, one-piece fullface helmet. A quality modular will afford its wearer better protection than a half or 3/4 helmet providing that its hinge/lock doesn't fail. End of story.

By the way, I'll get that neck brace you so haughtily and sarcastically recommended just as soon as you buy yourself an effective muzzle. Fair enough?

 

[Ogremeister]

Why the long arguments? It's a no brainier really; the more you protect yourself the more protected you are. End of story
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I like this thread because it presented some ideas about good compromise gear, such as vented jackets etc, not because it has proven one way or the other what gear is safest.

ok....12 pages & nobody has mentioned BOHN BODY ARMOUR. I see it advertized in RIDER magazine every month..seems like a good system..would really keep the protection planted where it belongs. I have never tried it. I don't know anyone that has tried it.

How about it? Anyone has any input on this?

http://www.bohn-armor-pants.com/cat....1c.1.36.mobile-gws-hp..0.19.3863.Xs9CvKsIHmM

 

[TriumPhil]

I researched it years ago and determined that armored uppers and lowers, be they leather or synthetic was a more pragmatic choice for me and, I think , for most riders that choose to wear armor. Alot of comments by Bohn users indicated that the Bohn stuff could be hotter than perf'ed or mesh gear and that, although it affords good protection to the parts of your body covered by its armor, the conventionally clothed balance of your body was more exposed or susceptible to injury in a get-off. Since they are (were) basically undergarments the heat/comfort factor was even more of an issue when you get off your bike for any sort of a break, since it's not very practical to get in and out of that gear anytime you stop. It also is fairly expensive, if memory serves.

For me, I categorized it firmly in the novelty category, although in some very narrow applications one would think that the system makes perfect sense.

 

[Ogremeister]

No, we are not, Andrew - you are. You can opine all you like and you are entitled to whatever opinion you choose. I'll stick with basic engineering fact and as for as protection for my head is concerned I will abide by what the pros choose to nearly the 100th percentile.

It is physically impossible for a hinged, locking modular to have equal or greater integrity than a rigid, one-piece fullface helmet. A quality modular will afford its wearer better protection than a half or 3/4 helmet providing that its hinge/lock doesn't fail. End of story.

By the way, I'll get that neck brace you so haughtily and sarcastically recommended just as soon as you buy yourself an effective muzzle. Fair enough?

just seems a bit ironic, to me. you want maximum safety but you draw the line with your head.

your head will be, as 1olbull said, good for an open casket, after your neck is broken.

 

[TriumPhil]

C'mon, Andy, drop it already!

I never said that I wanted maximum safety overall. You somehow assumed that and why you did so is beyond me. Neveretheless, I did choose to wear the safest, most protective style of helmet for the simple reason that, and I reiterate the point, the most important part of the body to protect is the head, at least, that is the excuse that works for me.

 

[GPMAZ]

Tried a set of the Bohn mesh stuff about 10 years ago. Its a pain to get into and out of, is, as some have said, uncomfortable when you're just walking around. Its still on a shelf somewhere like quite a bit of other stuff that didn't live up to the hype.

Here's some stuff that the folks on advrider used to rave about. Supposed to be very effective and pretty comfortable. Won't win any prizes in the looks department, but then neither does the Aerostitch stuff and its pretty **** effective.

https://www.motoport.com/

 

[ROCKETHEAD]

Before I drop from this conversation... Not all full face or modular helmets are alike there are modular helmets that will widthstand a lot more than your average full face...

I for one have both and they need to fit snug and have both Snell and dot rating. I replace them every 3-4 years no matter what. As far as gear I have full armour from head to toe when I ride long distance I need to get in the habit of being that way on shorter rides.

 

[1olbull]

A point I would make in the discussion of open face vs full face would be a little experiment. Stand in your driveway wearing a full face helmet. Fall backward. Repeat this time falling forward (no fair putting out your hands). Next do the same wearing an open face helmet. Note both experiments were done at a speed of zero mph.

I've been known to wear both types of helmets but I do realize the far greater risk with anything less than a full face model. As to the relation of speed to damage to one's head, the speed at which your head impacts the pavement is generally much less than your road speed. That said, higher speeds will no doubt increase the likelihood you'll suffer other serious and possibly fatal injuries.

Unless you have data to back it up, I respectively disagree with your, "far greater risk with anything less than a full face model" statement.
I have crashed on motors likely more than most. I have NEVER had to, or chose keep my arms at my side for a face plant landing! Ejection angles from an impact are generally in the 10° - 15° area; lower than you might think. Unaffected by something else, the center mass area (torso) usually strikes first at landing. Those that face plant into the front or side of another vehicle or object at speed are usually not saved by a helmet. Just my humble opinion