R3 TFC all carbon

[gadget_ho]

this is just a crazy idea
what if you made the rotors out of titanium?
would that work? would they hold up for enough time to make it cost worthy?
maybe they already make those?

I'd expect the more brittle nature of titanium compared to steel is why you step up from steel to carbon ceramic on performance cars rather than titanium? *shrugs*

 

[Rockatansky]

Magnesium would be an option...

 

[Mighty Mouse]

Vibranium seems the best but from what I understand very expensive and hard to find.

 

[Jagster]

Vibranium seems the best but from what I understand very expensive and hard to find.

Not as hard to find as Unobtainium.......apparently....

 

[Antek]

More CF parts by KR-Techno.

 

[RUN666]

Hello, I think we need to stop making knots in our brains with this motorcycle... Carbon parts are objectively magnificent...besides I have plent of them on my Ducati !
So,
1/the Rocket is heavy due to its basic design with its large engine and the necessary reinforcements so as not to break everything quickly...
2/if we want to maintain a quality/price ratio acceptable to most, we cannot lighten certain parts (carbon wheels are the most obvious example)
3/the fact of having a cardan transmission is not suitable for light weight and optimal road holding (have you ever seen GP motorcycles with a cardan shaft?)
4/probably the fork and rear shock absorber could be improved (ÔHLINS?)
So, as far as I'm concerned, I removed what seemed the most obvious to me to gain weight and efficiency, namely the catalyst, the rear mudguard support and indicators and... that's it. The handling hasn't changed much, I'm still testing the suspension settings but, in my opinion, they are not sensitive enough to the settings and, unless you change the rims for carbons, the huge tires or change the fork and shock absorber, I don't really see what to do anymore... in short, when I really want to act stupid on the road I take my Ducati SFV4...

 

[Jagster]

Hello, I think we need to stop making knots in our brains with this motorcycle... Carbon parts are objectively magnificent...besides I have plent of them on my Ducati !
So,
1/the Rocket is heavy due to its basic design with its large engine and the necessary reinforcements so as not to break everything quickly...
2/if we want to maintain a quality/price ratio acceptable to most, we cannot lighten certain parts (carbon wheels are the most obvious example)
3/the fact of having a cardan transmission is not suitable for light weight and optimal road holding (have you ever seen GP motorcycles with a cardan shaft?)
4/probably the fork and rear shock absorber could be improved (ÔHLINS?)
So, as far as I'm concerned, I removed what seemed the most obvious to me to gain weight and efficiency, namely the catalyst, the rear mudguard support and indicators and... that's it. The handling hasn't changed much, I'm still testing the suspension settings but, in my opinion, they are not sensitive enough to the settings and, unless you change the rims for carbons, the huge tires or change the fork and shock absorber, I don't really see what to do anymore... in short, when I really want to act stupid on the road I take my Ducati SFV4...

I pretty much agree with your assessment regarding weight reduction and handling. I think that probably many on here will agree with your logic also.
All this after market carbon fibre swap-out stuff is complete nonsense when it comes to saving any meaningful weight with the exception of maybe carbon wheels.
Everything else purely cosmetic.
Each to their own.
I'm not against the look of a bit of carbon here and there, if it helps with the aesthetics, but so far I haven't been seriously tempted to have any carbon on the Rocket.

Keep playing with your suspension settings a bit more before you succumb to throwing big money at it. I think the Rocket handles extremely well for it's size/length and weight.

 

[RUN666]

I'm not against the look of a bit of carbon here and there, if it helps with the aesthetics, but so far I haven't been seriously tempted to have any carbon on the Rocket.

I even went through with this logic because I like the look of carbon...I had my radiator protection and my front mudguard supports painted with a carbon effect...no weight gain but personnal satisfaction (aesthetic AND financial). On the other hand, it is very likely that within a year I will change the rear shock absorber as well as the inside of the fork to go upmarket.
Carbon wheels will unfortunately remain a dream unless I manage to marry a rich heiress...

 

[Jagster]

I even went through with this logic because I like the look of carbon...I had my radiator protection and my front mudguard supports painted with a carbon effect...no weight gain but personnal satisfaction (aesthetic AND financial). On the other hand, it is very likely that within a year I will change the rear shock absorber as well as the inside of the fork to go upmarket.
Carbon wheels will unfortunately remain a dream unless I manage to marry a rich heiress...

Well.......if you find one, let me know if she has a sister.....

 

[Einar]

Hello, I think we need to stop making knots in our brains with this motorcycle... Carbon parts are objectively magnificent...besides I have plent of them on my Ducati !
So,
1/the Rocket is heavy due to its basic design with its large engine and the necessary reinforcements so as not to break everything quickly...
2/if we want to maintain a quality/price ratio acceptable to most, we cannot lighten certain parts (carbon wheels are the most obvious example)
3/the fact of having a cardan transmission is not suitable for light weight and optimal road holding (have you ever seen GP motorcycles with a cardan shaft?)
4/probably the fork and rear shock absorber could be improved (ÔHLINS?)
So, as far as I'm concerned, I removed what seemed the most obvious to me to gain weight and efficiency, namely the catalyst, the rear mudguard support and indicators and... that's it. The handling hasn't changed much, I'm still testing the suspension settings but, in my opinion, they are not sensitive enough to the settings and, unless you change the rims for carbons, the huge tires or change the fork and shock absorber, I don't really see what to do anymore... in short, when I really want to act stupid on the road I take my Ducati SFV4...

I agree. I was curious about the weight savings, and weighed the following stock (on a GT) then their carbon fiber replacements to calculate the savings (all replacements from CarbonFBR):

Three GT heat shields: -297 grams
Mid heat shield: -143 g
Left radiator upper trim: -43 g
Right radiator upper trim: -45 g
Front fender: -35 g
Front fender supports (combined): -65 g
Airbox trim piece: -107 g
Final drive heat shield: -44g

Total savings: 779 grams

Meanwhile, replacing the catalytic converter with a Werkes exhaust dropped ~10,400 grams.

As for carbon wheels, well, every friend I've had who installed them shattered them. No thanks.