LED flasher Problem Rocket III Touring

Same Problem... Have more info

I have a 2011 R3T. I did the following work, which turned out fine, but the turn signals flash way too fast:
- Removed front turn signals and replaced with super-bright PIAA bullet lights onto signal brackets (same size housing, looks cool).
- Wired PIAAs into high beam switch
- Installed/wired Kuryaken LED turn signal mirrors

It's been at the dealer for three weeks while they try to figure out how to correct the rate of turn signal flash. They found the integrated electronic 'relay' in the guage cluster. they tried all sorts of resisters in all possible positions. They can get it working with the engine off but, when they start the bike, they don't flash :(

Triumph was no help. They still don't have it fixed, but the remaining options are:

1. Install dummy incandecent lights in a non-visible spot (inside headlight housing, under side cover, or maybe external marker lights on the radiator) and wire in with the signals to create electrical load

2. bypass the stock relay completely and install a standard signal relay. Wire all the signals and switches to the standard relay

I will post in this thread again when they figure it out.

Dave

UPDATE:
OK, the dealer gave up... Ends up that resisters dont work at all. Dummy lights do work, but not all the time (sometimes they flash fast, sometimes slow). They ended up reinstalling the stock turn signals on the radiator cowling (I know, I'm pretty pissed off about it). Anyway, I'll figure something out eventually, but no good answer for now
I replaced the rearflasher with 3 LED Flasher on each side (3x1 Watt). The LED flashers worked not visible when the machine was not running.
When the machine was running, than they flashed fast and they where only glowing.
I tried all availabe resitors. I can not go with a new relais because the relais in the Touring is not standard, it is build in the dashboard.

My solution so far. I have a additional bulb in the hardbags together with the LED. Now the LED are working in the right speed. But they still glow, a bit brighter than before, and my turnsignal is hardly vissible.

Any Idea?

this is a photoshop of my idea.

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^^^ Look very similar to Hyperlites - 3way all in one running light brake light turn signals (which appear to be better value price-wise vs the Skene)

Like I said Skeene is well made and is USA made and I will pay more for a quality product made in Developed country. I could not figure out where hyperlites is made as they don't advertise it on their site. So I will guess it's made in China! maybe it's a quality product but I don't know.
 
You should never 'assume' or 'guess'

Hyperlites have been around for a LONG time, and ARE a quality product developed and manufactured in the US of A and have good respect within the motorcycle community.

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You should never 'assume' or 'guess'

Hyperlites have been around for a LONG time, and ARE a quality product developed and manufactured in the US of A and have good respect within the motorcycle community.

Hyperlites.jpg

Darn, I missed that I must be going blind!!
 
The Hyperlites LEDs look big and bulky compared to the Skene.... I guess that's just how it is with 4 more LEDs. Also from what I can gather on the Hyperlite instructions is that the LEDs are stick on rather than bolt on. I tend to like the bolt on better but that's just me. I can't seem to find informaiton on Hyperlites if their modules are programable like Skene. Such as changing the number of times the rear LED brake lights flash etc... I did see however that the Hyperlites use a cut wire method on changing the time on brake lights. That's not very well thought out unless that's a bullet proof way of changing the program rather that using the brake light switch.
I'd have to say that I would go with Skene on this type of mod.
 
I'm not trying to convince anyone either way, just making aware other options

The Hyperlites LEDs look big and bulky compared to the Skene
Recognize that size (number of LEDs) will result in the overall intensity - more elements = more light.
The Hyperlites 3-way have both Stop AND turn in the same package i.e. separate yellow and red LEDs on the same strip.
For the Skene you add another $20 for $145 total which doesn't get you any more lighting capability, just allows the 'stop' lights to flash (programming change only)
If you want compact - and no turns, you can get even cheaper 8-way option from Hyperlites - and configured in either stop only or stop/running.

I can't seem to find informaiton on Hyperlites if their modules are programable like Skene. Such as changing the number of times the rear LED brake lights flash etc...
I would have to question the real need for this - a bit 'gimmicky' and might be fun to play for 5 mins but in the end I would expect most will pick a pattern & stick with it.
But with Hyperlites, they are essentially hard-coded and you first select which mode you want when you purchase
You should note that in various states the flash rate is governed. California especially has its own special requirement.
And whether those rapid flashing emergency turns of the Skene would be legal at all is questionable (in many states flashing lights cannot be misconstrued for actual emergency vehicles)

I did see however that the Hyperlites use a cut wire method on changing
At the end of the day, both systems are microprocessor controlled:
the means of changing the flashing is by setting one of the I/Os high or low which will select different options in the code;
For the most part, Hyperlites take the programming out of your hands and you pick the one you want up front (std brake, modulating, flashing or CA flashing)
and then you get two options for a 5 second cycle or continuous - one is set with the loop connected, the other disconnected. So not variable without cutting or rejoining the wire.
I would ask - how often would one change this after you pick your mode of operation?
The Skene system has an I/O controlled by the brake switch in 'programming mode' - it is doing same thing, setting that I/O in the micro by various input selections, but putting more 'programming' control in the users hands.
So admittedly it has a LOT more programming capability if that is something the user wants/will use. Some might like this capability, others will question its worth.

Also from what I can gather on the Hyperlite instructions is that the LEDs are stick on rather than bolt on.
At the end of the day, once it's actually mounted it's going to be just as reliable - not something that is going to be glaringly obvious and the tape will be secure for what is a very small mechanical load.
But it is another difference to note that may have some value to some vs others.


Just some observations to potentially help others make their selection one way or the other
At the end of the day it will come down to
Cost
Programmability
Mounting
 
I've looked at the hyperlites license plate bracket and it seems that it either goes on the top or bottom of the plate. Just by looking at my Roadster I don't believe it would work correctly mounting it to the top. I would have to mount it at the bottom in which the led lights wouldn't be centered on the plate in which I really like with the Skene brackets they furnish with the leds. The pictures on Hyperlites I've seen doesn't show the leds centered on the tag. I guess I could stick the leds higher but with them being stuck on they may have a tendency to flop around since the leds wouldn't be centered on the bracket. I'm still not sold on the stick on leds especially mounting them to the forks in which take a lot of vibration. It must be some outstanding two sided tape.

Also the Hyperlites don't have the "conspicuity flicker" like Skene has from my understanding. From what I've read this option is patented by Skene. This feature can be cut on or off. I would have to see it in person to see if it really does grab attention.

I know that the most would and set and forget after programming the flash rate but knowing the option is aways there to be capable of changing it I think is a great thing to have.

Also if Hypelites has a warranty it isn't shown on there website. Skene has a two year warranty. Now mentioning websites Hyperlites could really do some house cleaning on their website. It's not as informative as Skene's website and as nice to browse. I guess this doesn't matter a whole lot considering quality of products but sure makes things easier to understand if it isn't a bunch of flashing videos on each page. lol

Going with either company on the rear brake/tail light would be a improvement over stock. I was thinking about going with Skene white leds mounted to my forks or crash bars but not really sure I want to go that route. Im really looking at something that is more or less a driving light and a attention getter. Something like ClearWater. I'm still looking for the right bank to rob to afford those however.

Clearwater Lights High Powered LED Motorcycle Lights
 
Also if Hypelites has a warranty it isn't shown on there website.

It's one year - on the bottom of their installation instructions.
So contractually Skene indeed has a better warranty
In reality both systems should well out-live the bike, LEDs are extremely reliable (& would expect the micro to be similarly)

Regarding the web-site designs, I would have to say NEITHER of them is particularly good! :D
 
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