Has anyone rode one of these?

[1olbull]

This couldn't be more inaccurate.

OK, before I call BS to your called BS to me, let me be clear.
Obviously the cg affects the motion of all things.
What I was referring to is the height of the cg on a motor.
You now call BS or no? If still a BS call, I'd like to hear your rationale.

 

[cusso ken]

If you're arguing about CoG on cruisers handling there aint much in it....bigger factors involved that that...such as fork rake, suspension, tyres, balls etc. But that said we're talking cruisers anyway....

I'd take on any Valk with my stock R3R if I had anything to prove which I don't

OK, before I call BS to your called BS to me, let me be clear.
Obviously the cg affects the motion of all things.
What I was referring to is the height of the cg on a motor.
You now call BS or no? If still a BS call, I'd like to hear your rationale.

Not having a Degree in CG science but a bit of bush mechanic knowledge I would say that rider weight has a influence on the CG, a 170kg Bubba on the same bike as a 70Kg pencil neck would make a difference to the CG
the same as a pillion on the bike , I don't ride hard enough to worry about CG but still get to where I am going and enjoy the ride,

 

[Badlionsfan]

The heaviest part of a motorcycle is the engine. Obviously the lower the cg of the engine the lower the overall cg of the bike. The lower the cg the easier it is to "flick" a bike, or transition from a left curves to a right curve for example. There are other significant factors that play a big role in handling, but to say the cg of the motor is irrelevant is false.

 

[Elvis]

The heaviest part of a motorcycle is the engine. Obviously the lower the cg of the engine the lower the overall cg of the bike. The lower the cg the easier it is to "flick" a bike, or transition from a left curves to a right curve for example. There are other significant factors that play a big role in handling, but to say the cg of the motor is irrelevant is false.

I notice the difference the most when going down hill into a sharp curve where the surface is bumpy. This bike is a handfill in that scenario

 

[1olbull]

The heaviest part of a motorcycle is the engine. Obviously the lower the cg of the engine the lower the overall cg of the bike. The lower the cg the easier it is to "flick" a bike, or transition from a left curves to a right curve for example. There are other significant factors that play a big role in handling, but to say the cg of the motor is irrelevant is false.

@Badlionsfan
Well now you're getting a tad personal and hurt my little feelings.
So you are then stating a HD with a lower CG than a BMW 1200GS is easier to "flick" in the curves. Having ridden both, I can say that what you have stated here is "false".
My comment was: "The CG on a motor has little to do with the handling." I did not say the CG is irrelevant. I also should have quantified what I wrote better and said CG height.
Now for the physics - dirt bike riders stand up on the pegs to gain better control = this raises the total CG. Which is easier to balance on your finger - a broom or a toothpick? The higher the CG from the ground, the longer the moment arm thus requiring less force (effort) to move.
Go Seahawks!

 

[CanberraR3]

Just wondering if the toothpick and broom analogy also works with a big wooden spoon.....

My take on this is that while a change in CG on a particular bike will effect it's handling, low CG does not of itself mean better handling than some other bike with higher CG. Most obvious proof would be to ride a Harley and then a Tiger Sport. I know which one I'd back.

 

[Badlionsfan]

I never said CG, or engine cg was factor número uno. Just said it plays a role along with front end geometry, suspension, tires, frame rigidity, actual bike weight and so on.

 

[Badlionsfan]

@Badlionsfan

Go Seahawks!

 

[Elvis]

Just wondering if the toothpick and broom analogy also works with a big wooden spoon.....

My take on this is that while a change in CG on a particular bike will effect it's handling, low CG does not of itself mean better handling than some other bike with higher CG. Most obvious proof would be to ride a Harley and then a Tiger Sport. I know which one I'd back.

apples and oranges, you know it and we know it

 

[1olbull]

Goodun!
BUT I have held season tickets for way more than two years and have been a fan since 1976.