Engine sputtering and backfiring

grampi,

Note that the Triumph plug in system analyzer that the dealerships use will NOT directly identify a bad TPS. It's not a horrifically expensive part (around $120 IIRC) and is fairly easy to replace physically and relatively easy to set correctly with TuneECU.

Regards,
Mark Dunn

I thought they could plug in their analyzer and read faults in the ECM. Is that not the case? Why wouldn't a problem with the TPS show up on their analyzer? If they can't detect faults with their analyzer, then what is it used for?
 
We can ascertain that the misfire exists only after a test ride! On a positive not
I thought they could plug in their analyzer and read faults in the ECM. Is that not the case? Why wouldn't a problem with the TPS show up on their analyzer? If they can't detect faults with their analyzer, then what is it used for?

Failed TPS can be analysed by the Triumph Diagnostic tool. The Reset of the same can also be done. There is an elaborate write up in the Fuel system Engine management portion of the service manual.
 
@grampi This post might seem a little patronizing, but I don't mean it that way...its just my simple minded way to approach logically resolving mechanical issues. I try to follow a principle called Occam's Razor (Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected) or in other words...the simplest solution is usually the correct one. This usually works for me. Having said that here is the way I would proceed in your case.

1.) Even though it seems unrelated I would check the simple things (fuses, vac lines, coil leads, etc) which it seems like you have already done and the dealership should have done, but may be worth checking again.
2.) You said TuneECU wouldn't do you any good because you don't have a laptop. My suggestion would be to get one. TuneECU doesn't require much computing horsepower, as a matter of fact you can run it from an android smart phone. Small netbook type laptops can be had for little money these days and the cable is $20. If you had access to tuneECU you could have either identified the TPS as a problem or eliminated it as a possibility. In addition you can read and clear trouble codes and perform other diagnostic chores with it. Folks on here will be glad to help you out with using TuneECU once you have it.
3.) Contact @HansO on PM and give him all of the specs on your bike (intake mods, exhaust, etc). Hans has a library of tunes and can probably hook you up with something that is proven to work on other bikes with the same or similar modifications to yours. If he can't someone on here can. You will need TuneECU to load it unless you are running a Power Commander in which case you will need their software.
4.) Intermittent electrical problems are a b!tch to track down, and if this problem only appears after a test ride where say a loose connector gets jiggled around or a skinned wire makes contact with the frame it may take you quite a while to narrow it down.
5.) While it may seem that those on here sound like a broken record they are simply stating the most comment causes for your symptoms which are low tension coil lead, loose vacuum line, TPS, etc. I would make sure that each of the potential causes mentioned by others in this thread is double checked as they have mostly come from folks that have had similar issues and corrected them.
6.) If you still can't resolve the issue after the above, make a copy of your tune and find a dealer that you can work with and take the bike to him with no holds barred and let them fix the bike.

I wish I was closer as I would be happy to help you out. If you make it down to Texas any time soon throw that thing on a trailer and I will see what we can figure out.
 
My bike has Jardines, triple filters, and secondary throttle plates removed. When I took it to have a PCIII installed and tuned, I loaded the stock Triumph tune for TORs. The bike didn't run great but hsd none of your symptoms. It was running very lean (15:1). So, I doubt it's your tune. A tuner is not going to fix this. A decent Triumph mechanic may.The dealer should be able to read all the codes, check and balance the throttle bodies. You should make him do this. I assume you looked at the connections of the 3 vacuum tubes at the map sensor. These can be loose. The other 3 tubes to the throttle bodies come from the evaporative loss system. If any of the valves or tubes in this system get blocked or loose, it can wreak havok, since the throttle bodies are sucking on this system to get gas evaporating from the canister. I had problems with this on a tbird. My dealer is a great mechanic and it took him weeks to figure this out because the pressure in the evap system changed with the level in the tank. I believe that after a certain year, all US bikes have this system. You can rip the whole thing out. The line from the tank needs to be disconnected from the valve and extended to vent under the bike. The three lines to the throttle bodies should go into one line to the purge valve. Disconnect it from the purge valve and plug it. I agree that you should get a cheap windows laptop and run Tuneecu to check the tps voltages, map pressure, and codes.
 
Ok guys first diagnosing a bad TPS is not straight forward unless the thing is so botched it will not send a voltage signal. Usually they wear in spots. If my memory is right Hanso's wore in a area that reared its ugly head at highway speeds. others just do not hold the original voltage settings .6 volts which leads to high idle problems. I sent Grampi a message so we can first see which map fits the Vin Number of the bike as the Roadster has two series of ecu programs. According to the tune ecu site I am working with Grampi to find out where the bike is so maybe I can get a hold of different map plus look at his TPS. I always carry a extra one on the bike just in case. Also I have found the one can mess one up installing it and running the bolt down to much. I have a shim under mine so it does not bolt up and bind the rheostat wearing a spot on it. I think this is part my fault as I only flashed his ecu and wished we had made more time for me to check other things.
 
No check engine light...and I can't read anything using tune ECU as I don't have the program or a laptop...I will check the vacuum lines and coil leads after work today...

I'll say it again, $20 for a TuneECU compatible adapter. Go borrow any old POS Windows desktop or laptop. People are literally throwing away old Win XP machines and CRT monitors. TuneECU does not need to be installed. The program runs out of the folder it is put in. It does not get any cheaper or easier than this......
 
u have received a lot of good info
i will try to explain about the codes u ask about.
most scanners will read obdII codes even the cpeap ones. the tunecu and the triumph scanner does more it reads info from several sensors like tps,temp sensor,rpm,map sensor,idle stepper motor ect. u can also use the scanners to check & SET the tps,stepper motor idle ect.
just because something is acting up does not mean that the computer will set a code.
i will give u an example if your house had a computer an your light bulb failed the code would appear in the computer BAD BULB more than likely your bulb would be bad. however u could have a bad switch, or a bad breaker switch or some one could have turned off your electric switch or u could have forgot to pay your bill and lets not forget that a rat might have chewed the wires. So if u are lucky the codes will put u at the place where u should start.
with a scanner u can view tps info it may read perfect will idling but when u drive it it may screw up because of the vibrations. its hard to rule out anything until u find the problem.
hth herman
 
Ok guys first diagnosing a bad TPS is not straight forward unless the thing is so botched it will not send a voltage signal. Usually they wear in spots. If my memory is right Hanso's wore in a area that reared its ugly head at highway speeds. others just do not hold the original voltage settings .6 volts which leads to high idle problems. I sent Grampi a message so we can first see which map fits the Vin Number of the bike as the Roadster has two series of ecu programs. According to the tune ecu site I am working with Grampi to find out where the bike is so maybe I can get a hold of different map plus look at his TPS. I always carry a extra one on the bike just in case. Also I have found the one can mess one up installing it and running the bolt down to much. I have a shim under mine so it does not bolt up and bind the rheostat wearing a spot on it. I think this is part my fault as I only flashed his ecu and wished we had made more time for me to check other things.
Can't you just look at the TPS voltage in TuneECU across the entire range of TP?
 
I'll say it again, $20 for a TuneECU compatible adapter. Go borrow any old POS Windows desktop or laptop. People are literally throwing away old Win XP machines and CRT monitors. TuneECU does not need to be installed. The program runs out of the folder it is put in. It does not get any cheaper or easier than this......

Let me go through my stuff at home...I may have a super old laptop that hasn't even been turned on in years...I think it has XP on it...if I can get it to turn on, I may be able to use that...where can I order the cable, and where can I download the program? Thanks.
 
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