Tuning a 2023 onwards R3

[Gimlet]

I've been making enquiries this morning about getting my 2023 R3GT booked into a dyno shop for a remap as I'm ordering one of Paul Bryant's new 2.5L exhaust systems. I'm being told by various sources that the ECU on '23 onwards bikes can't be overwritten. I said it wasn't a 2024 Storm but a standard '23 bike but they're saying that Triumph changed the ECU in 2023 on the standard bike and it can't be cracked as yet. Only 2022 and earlier bikes can be remapped.

Is this right and of so what, if any, are my tuning options?

 

[Einar]

'23 and '24 can definitely be tuned. I put a tune on my '24.

 

[Gimlet]

What does putting tune on mean though?
I need to eliminate the O2 sensors and the cat, and I want to remove restrictions.
I've been given ecu serial numbers and there's a chance mine still has the '22 ecu in which case I can use a power commander. If it's 2023, I can't.

 

[atomsplitter]

You won't really know till you hook up an OBD and try to access the ECU's data. The dyno shop should be able to tell you pretty quick once connected if they can reprogram the ECU or not.

 

[Protonhound]

I flashed the Penner tune on my '23R with no problems.

 

[Einar]

What does putting tune on mean though?
I need to eliminate the O2 sensors and the cat, and I want to remove restrictions.
I've been given ecu serial numbers and there's a chance mine still has the '22 ecu in which case I can use a power commander. If it's 2023, I can't.

It means to overwrite the maps with updated ones. With TuneECU you can do that and also suppress errors due to a missing O2 sensor (alternatively, you can install an O2 emulator). You don't need to tune the R3 if you just remove the cat, you won't damage it, but you can get more HP if you do.

 

[Jagster]

My recent (and relatively limited) experience with re-mapping my 2020-MY bike went as follows:

- Initial rolling road test runs gave a set of initial readings.
- ECU was flashed and new map was installed using TuneECU.
- The software used to display the throttle body positions in each gear etc.... could change these settings, and basically, there was an ability to modify the throttle openings in each gear and in each riding mode.

.......however....

- There was a restriction in place that prevented the standard openings being increased in 5th & 6th gears.
- You could change them, but the new settings would not save and so effectively they weren't actually changed in those last two gears.
- This was made evident in the performance data displayed during subsequent dyno runs. So, full power in all but the last two gears.

.....So what Happened?......

- The tuner had a technical problem with his software (a licencing issue apparently) but what (I think) I learned from the experience was that the last two gears are more difficult to control despite flashing the ECU.

So.... at the moment, I have full power delivery in all but the last two gears. The bike runs fine and has optimum mixture settings, so it's running good , but obviously it's not yet set up fully.

My understanding is that full control of the software is possible, but with some (or all) tuning software will need to be capable of bypassing more than one security block.
It's all voodoo to me, but that is what I experienced with my trip to the dyno.

This might be something to keep in the back of your mind when you do embark on flashing and re-mapping.

 

[Kiwicol]

Mine is a '23 GT & it's been de-restricted & had Penner tune installed - by the PO, so '23 euc's are surely re-programmable.