ramair cracked

Well guys as you may know my Ramair filter cracked and i received a replacement . But the tight a$$ bastards only sent a filter no fly lead or crankcase filter , so since i sold the replacement i had to remove items from my bike and guess what the crankcase breather filter is cracked too . It is like the rubber is the wrong compound or will not stand the heat or the oil fumes gets to it etc . so i will be buying one for the purchaser from supercheap to get him a complete kit .
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I received the whole kit. Strange you only received the filter.
 
That's just
Well guys as you may know my Ramair filter cracked and i received a replacement . But the tight a$$ bastards only sent a filter no fly lead or crankcase filter , so since i sold the replacement i had to remove items from my bike and guess what the crankcase breather filter is cracked too . It is like the rubber is the wrong compound or will not stand the heat or the oil fumes gets to it etc . so i will be buying one for the purchaser from supercheap to get him a complete kit .
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That so bad it's total rubbish, they should recall all of their filters and test them to see what is going on!
What happens if the engine fails due to all the rubbish that could be sucked in if they are not checked for a few thousand klms because you think they are doing what they should be doing filtering the air! Who pays?
 
Hi,


My name is Dan from Ramair Filters. I felt it appropriate to post our position on the R3 filter kit that we manufacture and supply.


It goes without saying we are aware of the reported failures linked to the split in the necks of some of the R3 filter elements supplied. It is clear that the failures are not following a pattern of material defect or breakdown. We have our polymer batch tested, traced and tracked through our in house production process. The material is also batch traced by our material manufacturer should we ever need to refer back to them in the case of a major material failure. We are 100% confident that the failures we are seeing do not relate to the polymer itself.


So logically we can move on the moulding process and determine if there is a defect in the mould itself. We have two types of mould, one master and three silicone slave moulds. The slaves are renewed upon inspection, mainly due to surface finish. We have satisfied ourselves that the moulds are functioning correctly and that the cure process of the polymer is behaving as expected.


Finally we are left with two other possible stumbling blocks, one being the design itself the second being fitment and treatment.


Design

With the quantity of units now in circulation and age of some of the oldest elements it is hard to pin down solely a design issue relating to the failures incurred. This is of course unless we are looking at changing the design to counter incorrect fitment.


Fitment & Treatment

We have seen a number of failures that are relating to the filter not being fully pushed home over the intakes. Consequently we have seen this resulting in either the over tightening of the clamps themselves or the tightening of the clamps onto the extreme edge of the bell mouth. Thus meaning that the clamp is only partly pulling down and effectively acting as a slice to the neck of the filter. Another failure has been due to chemical contamination, the filter in question caused us such concern upon seeing it that we immediately sent it to the chemist responsible for our material. Her reply was that the material had been in contact with a rather aggressive agent (possibly for lubrication or cleaning). This client’s filter was still replaced out of goodwill.


We are a small and professional company, it is not in our interest to supply a knowingly defective product and or material. It is also not in our interest to make any enemies along the way of doing business, which is why in many cases we will replace single units under goodwill (filters that is, not full kits). If it were not for the amount of units out in the R3 market that we have no reported issues (including Triumph dealers) on and that have seen some large distances covered (including the prototype) then we would of course have recalled the product some time ago.


For the peace of mind of all concerned I would invite any owner wishing to lend their bike to us for a day or two to contact me directly (dan.mullan@ramair-filters.co.uk). We can then revisit the step by step guide and also see if we can factor into the design anything that may help prevent fitment issues. It is in all parties interests here to find a solution to this kit that allows it still to be fitted at an amateur level and not push the price out of a realistic market expectation.


This is a statement on behalf of the company and I will not be in a position to monitor this or any other forum posts. I can be contacted on the email above for anyone wishing to contribute or comment moving forward.

Best regards to all.
 
Hi,


My name is Dan from Ramair Filters. I felt it appropriate to post our position on the R3 filter kit that we manufacture and supply.


It goes without saying we are aware of the reported failures linked to the split in the necks of some of the R3 filter elements supplied. It is clear that the failures are not following a pattern of material defect or breakdown. We have our polymer batch tested, traced and tracked through our in house production process. The material is also batch traced by our material manufacturer should we ever need to refer back to them in the case of a major material failure. We are 100% confident that the failures we are seeing do not relate to the polymer itself.


So logically we can move on the moulding process and determine if there is a defect in the mould itself. We have two types of mould, one master and three silicone slave moulds. The slaves are renewed upon inspection, mainly due to surface finish. We have satisfied ourselves that the moulds are functioning correctly and that the cure process of the polymer is behaving as expected.


Finally we are left with two other possible stumbling blocks, one being the design itself the second being fitment and treatment.


Design

With the quantity of units now in circulation and age of some of the oldest elements it is hard to pin down solely a design issue relating to the failures incurred. This is of course unless we are looking at changing the design to counter incorrect fitment.


Fitment & Treatment

We have seen a number of failures that are relating to the filter not being fully pushed home over the intakes. Consequently we have seen this resulting in either the over tightening of the clamps themselves or the tightening of the clamps onto the extreme edge of the bell mouth. Thus meaning that the clamp is only partly pulling down and effectively acting as a slice to the neck of the filter. Another failure has been due to chemical contamination, the filter in question caused us such concern upon seeing it that we immediately sent it to the chemist responsible for our material. Her reply was that the material had been in contact with a rather aggressive agent (possibly for lubrication or cleaning). This client’s filter was still replaced out of goodwill.


We are a small and professional company, it is not in our interest to supply a knowingly defective product and or material. It is also not in our interest to make any enemies along the way of doing business, which is why in many cases we will replace single units under goodwill (filters that is, not full kits). If it were not for the amount of units out in the R3 market that we have no reported issues (including Triumph dealers) on and that have seen some large distances covered (including the prototype) then we would of course have recalled the product some time ago.


For the peace of mind of all concerned I would invite any owner wishing to lend their bike to us for a day or two to contact me directly (dan.mullan@ramair-filters.co.uk). We can then revisit the step by step guide and also see if we can factor into the design anything that may help prevent fitment issues. It is in all parties interests here to find a solution to this kit that allows it still to be fitted at an amateur level and not push the price out of a realistic market expectation.


This is a statement on behalf of the company and I will not be in a position to monitor this or any other forum posts. I can be contacted on the email above for anyone wishing to contribute or comment moving forward.

Best regards to all.

Dan
i would like to add that of last night a pulled the Crankcase breather off and its rubber has done the same thing , as you can understand it is almost impossible to NOT install this filter correctly and it was not over tight making the clamp cut it . It looks like the rubber has been affected by oil , fuel or heat as it has swollen and split . I accept your company is not trying to dodge the issue and it is great service sending out replacements but i guess we as the punters just want answers . I my self will not use your filter because of the splitting and i have know idea how long i rode around with non filtered air being drawn into my motor. Best of luck with the filters and i wish you the best in finding the problem .
 
I am not even going to bother fitting mine . Tried on the throttle bodies the inlet rubber is flat and the body edge is ribbed the clamp could not do it's job properly needs the triumph type inlets and clamps to seal and hang on properly. Ticking time bomb if it was on there. Has anybody tried the ome inlets in the ramair filter might solve the problem.
 
IMHO I think all the after market filters look a bit dodgy, I can remember putting little key chains on the pods on my bikes GS1000S ect so I didn't loose them when the popped of ,I like the idea of just lifting the seat and the air box lid slip in a K&N filter and bingo improved air induction without the Fiddle ar*** around and everything looks stock ,like TORS and remapping ,I have become a advocate for having a nice clean stock looking bike ,but do admire tricked up bikes but not for me now a days :cautious:
 
I sent an email to Dan (See below), see what happens. also included a few pics and a drawing.


Hi Dan,

Thanks for posting on the R3 Owners.net forum in response to some concerns of splitting filter rubber.

You asked if you could borrow an R3 for a while and that is a great way forward but I don’t know if anyone has come forward as yet.

I have measured up a spare throttle body that I have and taken some photos to assist.

I also have a new Ramair ready to install with my next upgrades, which I will not install until this is sorted out as I believe the filter system that Ramair has developed has got great potential but I am not willing to risk my engine ingesting dust etc.


My Observations

For what I can see immediately with the Ramair filter is the absence of a grove in the rubber mounting sleeve.

I am no rocket scientist but I do understand machinery.

Your filter is 62mm on the inside of the mounting sleeve so is the smallest diameter of the throttle body, so when it is stretched to 64mm with NO corresponding groove naturally it wants to slip off hence the want to possibly overtighten.

The factory Triumph rubber mounting sleeve and the K&N filters both have this groove and never slip, fall off or split – None that I have read about anyway.

K&N Has a Groove for Fitment:)
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TRIUMPH Have a grove for Fitment:)

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Ramair DO NOT have a groove for fitment :(
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Throttle Body Pic
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I Did a simple Drawing
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