Lets Talk Cams

[IMFASTTOO]

If I am reading this right he confusion here is a cams only uses the OME valve springs. A cam package uses Cams spring retainers and under the shim buckets. the problem here is waht was Art Meaning when he said cams only? Most people think cams only is a drop in not havingto change the springs retainers and I and bucket shim over set up. Until we get this right this thread might as well be about car tires, Harley Davidisons, or Indians !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE dont use stock the stock springs buckets etc with our cam kits we use the best parts available for maximum reliability and performance

 

[Trirocket3]

This is just for you, Nev... a gift from the Ghost of Christmas Future from Berlin, NJ:

I do not believe that above is cams only. Although Art says it is.
Below is 210 kit valves headwork Brute pipe etc previously posted for Art
Something smells fishy here.

 

[Neville Lush]

This is from some pages back, Neville Lush said: ↑
Scorp has all bolt in's. Pistons/cams only. No headwork ,stock valves/springs etc etc. To get 200 with any exhaust/air filter you will need compression as well as camshaft, unless you rev the snot off it and have no low end power. High 160's is common with exh/air/ good tune. I do not believe it is possible to get 200hp and 180 tq under 6800rpm without taking off the head.JUST CAMS. Art cannot show me that in a graph as it has not been done, as described. We all know ad nauseum, it is possible to get over 200hp with all manner of things. Maybe you yanks will get a new secret package from Bob out of this discussion. Hope you do. Have a nice day folks.
You quoted the above paragraph ART.
JUST CAMS is what you claimed ART. Drop them in , in an afternoon I believe I said, without taking off the head. The point is not what else you can do, or rather Bob, but whether you can get a Rock to do 200hp and 180ft with JUST CAMS as YOU claimed. I'm ready with my card to buy a set which,should be no problem, as you have BEEN THERE,so you said. Give me the part number so I can get the exact right part when I call. All I shall need is the camshafts,as I have gaskets and some slotted gears in stock. No other parts required. This is the last post on this subject for me I just tripped over a dead horse..........

 

[STRIPES]

Art, are you on the payroll or just a "friend" of Bob?

 

[IMFASTTOO]

HA YOU GUYS ARE FUNNY wow

This is from some pages back, Neville Lush said: ↑
Scorp has all bolt in's. Pistons/cams only. No headwork ,stock valves/springs etc etc. To get 200 with any exhaust/air filter you will need compression as well as camshaft, unless you rev the snot off it and have no low end power. High 160's is common with exh/air/ good tune. I do not believe it is possible to get 200hp and 180 tq under 6800rpm without taking off the head.JUST CAMS. Art cannot show me that in a graph as it has not been done, as described. We all know ad nauseum, it is possible to get over 200hp with all manner of things. Maybe you yanks will get a new secret package from Bob out of this discussion. Hope you do. Have a nice day folks.
You quoted the above paragraph ART.
JUST CAMS is what you claimed ART. Drop them in , in an afternoon I believe I said, without taking off the head. The point is not what else you can do, or rather Bob, but whether you can get a Rock to do 200hp and 180ft with JUST CAMS as YOU claimed. I'm ready with my card to buy a set which,should be no problem, as you have BEEN THERE,so you said. Give me the part number so I can get the exact right part when I call. All I shall need is the camshafts,as I have gaskets and some slotted gears in stock. No other parts required. This is the last post on this subject for me I just tripped over a dead horse..........

WOW NEV now didnt you take the head off that motor and put pistons in ? WE didnt - stock pistons no compression stock valves and ports SO NOW YOUR TRYING TO MAKE UP RULES Thats really funny LOL Wish you guys lived near us so we could do a proper DYNO SHOOTOUT whats the difference if we take off the head We dont run the crappy stock valve springs and buckets thats why we make more HP You can see we make more HP than your pistons and cams setup with just our cams kit so whats all the *****in about? its just reality and nothing to get upset over WOW we have more good stuff coming I guess you guys are really going to go crazy

 

[IMFASTTOO]

Scorp has all bolt in's. Pistons/cams only. No headwork ,stock valves/springs etc etc. To get 200 with any exhaust/air filter you will need compression as well as camshaft, unless you rev the snot off it and have no low end power. High 160's is common with exh/air/ good tune. I do not believe it is possible to get 200hp and 180 tq under 6800rpm without taking off the head.JUST CAMS. Art cannot show me that in a graph as it has not been done, as described. We all know ad nauseum, it is possible to get over 200hp with all manner of things. Maybe you yanks will get a new secret package from Bob out of this discussion. Hope you do. Have a nice day folks.

NEV if you used our setup SCORP would be making more HP for sure

 

[TriumPhil]

Just a suggestion to keep this conversation between the lines, so to speak... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquess_of_Queensberry_Rules

 

[IMFASTTOO]

This is from some pages back, Neville Lush said: ↑
Scorp has all bolt in's. Pistons/cams only. No headwork ,stock valves/springs etc etc. To get 200 with any exhaust/air filter you will need compression as well as camshaft, unless you rev the snot off it and have no low end power. High 160's is common with exh/air/ good tune. I do not believe it is possible to get 200hp and 180 tq under 6800rpm without taking off the head.JUST CAMS. Art cannot show me that in a graph as it has not been done, as described. We all know ad nauseum, it is possible to get over 200hp with all manner of things. Maybe you yanks will get a new secret package from Bob out of this discussion. Hope you do. Have a nice day folks.
You quoted the above paragraph ART.
JUST CAMS is what you claimed ART. Drop them in , in an afternoon I believe I said, without taking off the head. The point is not what else you can do, or rather Bob, but whether you can get a Rock to do 200hp and 180ft with JUST CAMS as YOU claimed. I'm ready with my card to buy a set which,should be no problem, as you have BEEN THERE,so you said. Give me the part number so I can get the exact right part when I call. All I shall need is the camshafts,as I have gaskets and some slotted gears in stock. No other parts required. This is the last post on this subject for me I just tripped over a dead horse..........

ITS all just bolt ins but you choose to use the stock lifters and shims , stock springs and retainers etc and WE choose to use the best available valve train components the same as we use with all our cam kits Why would we want to use anything else ? We are also impressed with the power output using just the cams kit

 

[1olbull]

@IMFASTTOO
As @warp9.9 recently stated, when you refer to cams or cam kit you mean springs, keepers, lifters as well as the cams.
CORRECT?

 

[TriumPhil]

By George, he's got it! It's all explained starting from 26 seconds on...