Gearbox/clutch drama
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1olbull
Riding Motor Since 1950
I must not read clutch/gearbox threads, I must not read clutch/gearbox threads, paranoia has set in well and truly , its like a bloke waiting for his wife to cheat on him because some of his mates wives have ,does he give her the greasy sleeve before it happens or wait till she does and then say I knew that was going to happen,
same with bikes if there is a know problem do you just hope for the best or flip them while they are still intact, the Rocket is the first bike in 50years of owning bikes and regular riding that I have had Road Service coverage (NRMA) on a motorcycle ,I love the R3T but detest mechanical failures due to poor quality control , my recent water pump failure and triumph dealers indifference to sourcing a replacement(at a premium price) and telling me how "lucky" I was that they found 1 of the 2 in Australia doesn't inspire great confidence if something goes pear shaped,
"Give her the greasy sleeve"
Ok its does sound like you are interpreting the manual and part right. Like you stated there is a rounded side.
Which really shows on the ears. Most likely from do many edges close together make it stand out. This side goes towards the component your trying to hold in position on the shaft. In most cases like you stated towards the thrust washer.
Then the back side in which the edges are sharp and burred.
Let me get a cup of coffee and I will add to this from my computer.
This edge from my interpretation faces away from the component you are trying to hold in position on the shaft. This way the largest facial area is presented to the spline face in the groove. I hope this is not confusing and I will say it is my interpretation of the manual.
So we are all on the same page here. This leads me back to only reasonable explanation for the failure of the circlip being forced out by 3rd gear.
The only way that could happen is through the 4th gear selector fork HAMMERING the dogs together and translating all the pressure through 4th gear and onto the 3rd gear sprocket and then onto the clip. Now I need to know what force it would take to push a circlip out versus what kind of force could be exerted through the shifter to the selector rod to the selector drum to the selector forks and then onto the dog gear....any one here a physicist/ engineer???
Joesmoe
IMOKUR2
Wouldn't it be wonderful to have access to the three engineers (only my guess) who were the principal designers and ask them ? They had to have had some rule of thumb they went by. Everything in life is a tradeoff. Still, I would expect the selection of a circlip for that application took into account the expected forces with significant margin.
Paul I want to have faith in them..but bear in mind they are likely the same engineers who thought a 4 window/dog set up was sufficient for second gear...turns out it needed to be 6! How many rocketeers had to learn that lesson for Triumph? Then think ignition switch, detent springs etc
My underlying concern is that I'm missing something here and what looks like the cause isn't really the cause and I may well go about reconstructing my transmission without actually fixing the problem
My underlying concern is that I'm missing something here and what looks like the cause isn't really the cause and I may well go about reconstructing my transmission without actually fixing the problem
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Joesmoe
IMOKUR2
Amen sir. You have a big fan club, and bigger congregation wishing you success.
Sadly, with that, and a dollar, one can purchase a cup of coffee.
Sadly, with that, and a dollar, one can purchase a cup of coffee.
warp9.9
Pocałuj mnie w dupę
Unless the damaged area where the splines dug in is the only part of the cir-clip that was actually seated in the groove. This would reduce the so called miss shift thrust transfered thru the 4th and 3rd and splined bushings to work the circlip out. Just a thought. Oh and it didn't hurt either
warp9.9
Pocałuj mnie w dupę
Oh ya I found a picture of Fred aka rocket scientist. It must have been back in the bsa days
.Unless the damaged area where the splines dug in is the only part of the cir-clip that was actually seated in the groove. This would reduce the so called miss shift thrust transfered thru the 4th and 3rd and splined bushings to work the circlip out. Just a thought. Oh and it didn't hurt either
Lol...you must have had the right amount of coffee...I guess I'll just have to distill all the info that's been contributed here and fire off my email to triumph.
Also, I imagined Fred to have had a lot more hair as a youngster
TURBO200R4
stand up straight and grab the world by the a$$
jmo
if that clip was correctly installed i would think that u could jump on the shifter and something else would break before the clip would come out. i would venture to say that u could put it in a press and still have a hard time getting the clip to pop out of the grove.
herman
if that clip was correctly installed i would think that u could jump on the shifter and something else would break before the clip would come out. i would venture to say that u could put it in a press and still have a hard time getting the clip to pop out of the grove.
herman
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