front brake

[albertaduke]

I cannot even rule my own household..but the world got to be easier..

 

[Tripps]

Good post, I know better, but I think because I have been driving cars for 40 years, and only riding 3 1/2, it's hard not to hit that rear brake when surprised, it's almost instinctive. I just had an instance a couple weeks ago, 2 deer standing in the road ahead. Not a panic stop by any means, but I wanted to slow to see what they were going to do, I hit that **** rear break and did a little fishtail, and realized I hadn't touched the front brake. Still working on it.

 

[Ugarte]

been flying for 42 years and never thought of that thanks ..but full rudder never killed anyone that I can remember and using rudder on turning on final that 's a new one to me

How do you do a coordinated turn without rudder input?

The flight manual we used was wolfgang langewiesche's "stick and rudder", he spent quite a bit of time warning about the skidding turn (i.e. excessive rudder), especially on turn to final. The slip, of course is something quite different and as you and Densell pointed out is very effective in losing altitude quickly without gaining speed. I have done it many times, not dangerous at all if done correctly and actually a lot of fun.

You have a lot more flying experience than I do, so maybe I am just misunderstaning something.

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[Dennsell]

I had to guys... we went from safe front brake control into safe aircraft control

Maybe we could open a post called R3 on Final Approach..

 

[albertaduke]

How do you do a coordinated turn without rudder input?

The flight manual we used was wolfgang langewiesche's "stick and rudder", he spent quite a bit of time warning about the skidding turn (i.e. excessive rudder), especially on turn to final. The slip, of course is something quite different and as you and Densell pointed out is very effective in losing altitude quickly without gaining speed. I have done it many times, not dangerous at all if done correctly and actually a lot of fun.

You have a lot more flying experience than I do, so maybe I am just misunderstaning something.

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no you don't you have it all down pat and the simplest way to do a coordinated turn is to keep the ball centered on that turn & bank instrument by the way stick and rudder is a bible of aviation knowledge and every pilots at one point or another should review it .
now if you are interested to know I used the slip sliding once in jan 2003 landing a fokker-50 in melilla (spanish enclave in morocco) but after I straighten the plane I could not get beta mode on BOTH PROPELLERS , AND i ONLY HAD 36000 FEET ONE WHEEL BRAKE ANTI SKID FAILED the tire blew out ....if you search the net you should find some interesting pictures on that ,

 

[Ugarte]

Would that be this Fokker?


Mellila F50 Crash (Nostrum Air)




Too bad Fokker doesn't make motorcycles, it would be a great name for a bike.

 

[albertaduke]

yeah that's the one in few words, the wing ripped itself off the fuselage did a 360 and fell back on top of the cockpit

 

[Ugarte]

Ouch, scary stuff. Glad everyone survived, it sure could have been a lot worse.

 

[albertaduke]

Ouch, scary stuff. Glad everyone survived, it sure could have been a lot worse.

indeed!! the only sod to suffer was me as I had some bad fractured vertebraes and spent months in a rigid corset .
to this day nobody at fokker has figured out why BOTH propellers were locked out of ground idle after touch down .

but we disgress here . let us get back to R3 bikes..

 

[Ugarte]

We can tie all this in and make it relevant. The rear brake is for stupid fokkers, or, advanced riders who know how to use it properly. Beginners should probably use front brake only to reinforce the habit of going for the front brake first, especially in an emergency, then learn to apply the rear brake as a more advanced skill.