A Sheep In Wolf's Clothing or Vice Versa?

AFTER either a man or women have ridden a Sportster for a while they can ride a Rocket. I don't think anyone would pick a Rocket or a Sportster for the first ride for a new rider. I don't care even if they weigh 170 pounds if its a first ride a small light bike is the way to go. My point is that once you can ride a motorcycle to where its easy then you can ride a Rocket or a V8. Sure they are heavy but you aren't supposed to hold them at a 45 degree angle while sitting at a light. Once moving they are all CLOSE to the same. if you are picking one up from the ground you did something wrong or you wouldn't be doing that. If that is a concern I would suggest driving a car.
AND its not just driving a bike its driving one correctly and safely and thats a big difference Ive seen pro road racers crash and die by making one little mistake bam your dead so you cant minimize how dangerous it is for a new rider
 
I have 4 or 5 that really stand out about new boat owners. The one that pops up first was...

This guy and family......wife, 2 kids, Land Rover and a 24 ft. jet boat trying to put it back on the trailer. The wind had picked up but not bad by a long shot. He kept on trying to idle that boat onto the trailer, he came close to getting it on the trailer next to his on the other ramp a few times. After 45 min. or so he had had enough, he had figured that power helped steer the boat so he made a big circle to get lined up at the trailer. Here he came, not fast but just right this time. Just as he got real close to the back of the trailer the wind started to push the front, he hit the gas and the boat caught the rear guide and started up on the trailer.
Then the boat stopped, he gave it a shot of gas and it moved about a foot up on the trailer. After about 2 more times the boat did not move any more. I guess after all this time with a crowd watching and family standing next to the Range Rover and the wife giving instructions. With about 5 feet to go until the boat was in the correct place on the trailer.
He nailed that big block Chevy and for about 3 seconds nothing moved...........Then all of a sudden a yellow streak shot forward it stopped with 2 feet of the yellow jet boat inside of the rear window of that Range Rover.

A true story...

Yes my hips, legs and back are hurting.......That is why I am up at this hour.
 
ART, you always refer to the Harleys as a POS, I don't agree. I ride and been riding with guys for years that have them and they work out just fine. I rode them for years, sometimes cross country and I liked them. You act like the bikes are unsafe, they aren't any unsafer than other bikes. The riders are the ones that are safe or unsafe. In my opinion the most unsafe riders as a whole are the super high horsepower light weight european and japanese bike riders. The bikes beg the riders to go fast, the brakes tell them not to worry it will stop. The riders are lured into thinking their bikes are world class handlers. The big problem is the riders aren't world class riders. The Harleys aren't a POS and either are the super bikes. All the riders aren't unsafe but if you ride a motorcycle you have a risk taker personality, if you want it to also have the highest horsepower its because you intend to use it sometimes. If you ride on the street you will use it on the street from time to time, if you crash its probably not that the bike was a POS. If you drink and ride does that make the bike a POS. Is the only bike that isn't a POS the one that stops the quickest? Is the only bike that isn't a POS the one that goes around the corners the quickest? The Harleys are far from a POS even if there are much better ones available depending on what the customer is looking for. You might have sold a lot of bikes, and ridden lots of races, but you are narrow minded and not nearly as smart as you think you are.
 
ART, you always refer to the Harleys as a POS, I don't agree. I ride and been riding with guys for years that have them and they work out just fine. I rode them for years, sometimes cross country and I liked them. You act like the bikes are unsafe, they aren't any unsafer than other bikes. The riders are the ones that are safe or unsafe. In my opinion the most unsafe riders as a whole are the super high horsepower light weight european and japanese bike riders. The bikes beg the riders to go fast, the brakes tell them not to worry it will stop. The riders are lured into thinking their bikes are world class handlers. The big problem is the riders aren't world class riders. The Harleys aren't a POS and either are the super bikes. All the riders aren't unsafe but if you ride a motorcycle you have a risk taker personality, if you want it to also have the highest horsepower its because you intend to use it sometimes. If you ride on the street you will use it on the street from time to time, if you crash its probably not that the bike was a POS. If you drink and ride does that make the bike a POS. Is the only bike that isn't a POS the one that stops the quickest? Is the only bike that isn't a POS the one that goes around the corners the quickest? The Harleys are far from a POS even if there are much better ones available depending on what the customer is looking for. You might have sold a lot of bikes, and ridden lots of races, but you are narrow minded and not nearly as smart as you think you are.
I was refering to the aftermarket home made CHOPPERS or any of the bikes that have poor brakes they are unsafe as they dont stop my friend bought a Bourget cost him 65,000 dollars and it was and is dangerous as the brakes will not stop the bike in a safe distance Ive driven the bike and it is truly a POS in my opinion . SO you want to talk about the Riders I agree there are lots of wacko unsafe nut case stunt riders out there and they are the cause of a lot of accidents as we all know and I agree with you anyone that drinks and rides is looking for trouble I been around them and seen them in action they are just stupid and its the riders not the bikes NO IM not narrow minded I have a keen sense of the obvious and since we both seem to agree that makes you not nearly as smart as you think YOU are TOO LOL. I m always surprised at the high prices and the poor brakes on the $45,000 HARLEYS and compared the $15,000 ROCKETS we ride OH and HARLEY has a class action law suit against them pertaining to the poor brakes
 
I was refering to the aftermarket home made CHOPPERS or any of the bikes that have poor brakes they are unsafe as they dont stop my friend bought a Bourget cost him 65,000 dollars and it was and is dangerous as the brakes will not stop the bike in a safe distance Ive driven the bike and it is truly a POS in my opinion . SO you want to talk about the Riders I agree there are lots of wacko unsafe nut case stunt riders out there and they are the cause of a lot of accidents as we all know and I agree with you anyone that drinks and rides is looking for trouble I been around them and seen them in action they are just stupid and its the riders not the bikes NO IM not narrow minded I have a keen sense of the obvious and since we both seem to agree that makes you not nearly as smart as you think YOU are TOO LOL. I m always surprised at the high prices and the poor brakes on the $45,000 HARLEYS and compared the $15,000 ROCKETS we ride OH and HARLEY has a class action law suit against them pertaining to the poor brakes
HARLEY IS RECALLING 250,000 bikes for the faulty BRAKE SYSTEMS SO it is an obvious and serious problem as riders are being hurt and killed on those POS bikes with defective brakes
 
HARLEY IS RECALLING 250,000 bikes for the faulty BRAKE SYSTEMS SO it is an obvious and serious problem as riders are being hurt and killed on those POS bikes with defective brakes

Do you know EXACTLY what the recall is for? Do you know how many dead riders there are because of the recall? Do you think attorneys might have anything to do with assigning the blame of death to the bike? What do you think of the pre ABS Rockets that the brakes locked up on easily, was it the brakes or the riders skill and speed that caused accidents? Maybe they are also a POS.
 
Do you know EXACTLY what the recall is for? Do you know how many dead riders there are because of the recall? Do you think attorneys might have anything to do with assigning the blame of death to the bike? What do you think of the pre ABS Rockets that the brakes locked up on easily, was it the brakes or the riders skill and speed that caused accidents? Maybe they are also a POS.
OK DAVE there is a 250,000 bike recall nothing to do with me they have a problem and its a serious one so why dont you take it up with HARLEY all I know is the brakes are faulty and HARLEY has to fix all 250,000
 
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I have some good friends that ride Victories so they will probably hang me. I have sat on Victories and looked at them very closely. My overall thoughts on these bikes is they seem so "plastic" made. However my friends have not had any phenomenal break downs in which amazes me. I guess by me sitting on a "hard" well built motorcycle all of the time makes me see and feel other things differently.

Somewhere I was reading that Victory has been accused of basically coping the Indian Scout so much that they almost look like twins.
 
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