A little perplexed and curious.

[barbagris]

Each time I wear my kilt I have to buy a roll of duct tape(gaffer) and if you have to ask why I feel sorry for you, also quite a few ladies at the RAA events over the years have been attacked when they put their cold hands up my kilt.

The answer to both implied conundrums - You keep a stoat up there.

 

[Nat67]

If the guy on the Busa was riding within half that bikes capabilities in the twisties , then trying to close up the gap on any cruiser , let alone a behemoth of an R3 will sooner or later end badly ! It's a lesson all us captains have to learn , hopefully injury free ? That the Rocket will deliver more than its capable of handling and whilst revelling in the power and torque of that engine , it's easy to lose sight of it's limitations . especially if riding with sports orientated bikes . Definitely a case of horses for courses ! Best solution here is obviously to buy more bikes !

 

[1K9]

If the guy on the Busa was riding within half that bikes capabilities in the twisties , then trying to close up the gap on any cruiser , let alone a behemoth of an R3 will sooner or later end badly ! It's a lesson all us captains have to learn , hopefully injury free ? That the Rocket will deliver more than its capable of handling and whilst revelling in the power and torque of that engine , it's easy to lose sight of it's limitations . especially if riding with sports orientated bikes . Definitely a case of horses for courses ! Best solution here is obviously to buy more bikes !

Yep, if you ride sport bikes you have to change your channel when you get on a Rocket, specially a Touring.

 

[Jvheli]

Hi Pete
I’m a bit of a physics student and appreciate the forces involved. I guess I’m asking how those with worked motors cope in the twisties if a stock motor spins up the rear. The road surface was flat and relatively new hot mix, also noting the busa carried the same line through the corner without issue so I’m discounting greasy spots.

1st. The Rocket ain’t no Busa! Trying to keep up with a sport bike (even a big ol Busa or Zx14) is asking for a beat down!

Your second question regarding built motors is there is no difference. Too much is too much. A wheel spin in a turn is bad no matter what your dyno sheet says.

Keeping it under control in a corner is more a matter of geometry, technique, tire/road surface. Add in the others like tire pressure, tire and road temp. Lots of variables. Some you can control, some you can’t.

 

[Tal]

Keeping it under control in a corner is more a matter of geometry, technique, tire/road surface. Add in the others like tire pressure, tire and road temp. Lots of variables. Some you can control, some you can’t.

....f**kinwell hearin that!!.....not a good idea getting it wrong and sitting in sticky jocks for the rest of the ride!

 

[Paul Bryant]

Keeping it under control in a corner is more a matter of geometry, technique, tire/road surface. Add in the others like tire pressure, tire and road temp. Lots of variables. Some you can control, some you can’t.

That's called experience.

 

[Nat67]

As for the tyres ? @Paul Bryant may , if you ask him nicely post you a pic of his various tried and tested brands of his part worn tyres . Might give you an insight to the limitations ? That fella is so good at rear wheel steering a rocket , he has had his headstock welded up !

 

[1olbull]

Paul,
Riding "experience" is somewhat an ambiguous term.
A lot of riders of many years and mileage are not necessarily proficient.

Studies have shown those that have worked at improving their skill set become more proficient. Some "beginner" level riders never work to reach an "intermediate" skill level.
Few work enough to reach the "advanced" rider classification.

Sadly, most riders just ride and make no effort to improve their skill set.
For example - braking studies reveal the average rider does not exceed the braking friction value of a cage. This is terrible when considering a motor can and should out-brake a cage.
How many riders practice braking? (tire change time is always good for this).
How many riders can comfortably u-turn within a 24 foot wide, two lane roadway?
How many riders know the lean angle limits of their motors?
These things are not just worthwhile for speed or show; they are for safety when needed.

Seat time is not the criteria. One example I am familiar with is Rob @Claviger.
He has only been riding a few years, but has honed good skills from practice.
Anthony @WyldCFH was an average rider when we met in Texas a few years ago.
I don't know how long he has ridden, but my recent Texas ride with Anthony amazed me at how much he has improved. Both he and Rob were a hoot to follow and video!

I have ridden with several others who have many miles of seat time and years of ownership, but are relatively unskilled and not very proficient.
I reckon you @Paul Bryant did not get to be a good rider without pushing yourself to learn and improve = practice, practice, practice?

Motors are like guns.
Tis not what you can do in normal, controlled circumstances.
Tis what you will do when crapping your pants!

 

[Tal]

Tis not what you can do in normal, controlled circumstances.
Tis what you will do when crapping your pants!

..i pucker real hard and pull faces!!

 

[Jvheli]

Paul,
Riding "experience" is somewhat an ambiguous term.
A lot of riders of many years and mileage are not necessarily proficient.

Studies have shown those that have worked at improving their skill set become more proficient. Some "beginner" level riders never work to reach an "intermediate" skill level.
Few work enough to reach the "advanced" rider classification.

Sadly, most riders just ride and make no effort to improve their skill set.
For example - braking studies reveal the average rider does not exceed the braking friction value of a cage. This is terrible when considering a motor can and should out-brake a cage.
How many riders practice braking? (tire change time is always good for this).
How many riders can comfortably u-turn within a 24 foot wide, two lane roadway?
How many riders know the lean angle limits of their motors?
These things are not just worthwhile for speed or show; they are for safety when needed.

Seat time is not the criteria. One example I am familiar with is Rob @Claviger.
He has only been riding a few years, but has honed good skills from practice.
Anthony @WyldCFH was an average rider when we met in Texas a few years ago.
I don't know how long he has ridden, but my recent Texas ride with Anthony amazed me at how much he has improved. Both he and Rob were a hoot to follow and video!

I have ridden with several others who have many miles of seat time and years of ownership, but are relatively unskilled and not very proficient.
I reckon you @Paul Bryant did not get to be a good rider without pushing yourself to learn and improve = practice, practice, practice?

Motors are like guns.
Tis not what you can do in normal, controlled circumstances.
Tis what you will do when crapping your pants!

What I learned most this past year is how to hang on! Lol

I make it a practice every year to practice full effort emergency braking! It’s scary even when planned! But I figure if you don’t practice, where is the “muscle memory” when you do find yourself in an emergency?

Practice and learning from others I find most rewarding!