The Official Rocket Across America IV Thread

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bad news from the valley
Tony went down today about 11am.
Me and Cadfather stayed at the motel to help a brother fix his ignition switch,
so we missed the group ride.
Don't know if Sandy was on with him or not.
Don't know the condition of "Deep Purple" yet.
Don't even know how bad Tony went down.
I'm posting this so everybody can PRAY for him and Sandy.
Lord knows we love the brother so I know even the ones who don't normally pray, will.
We love you guys and wish everyone could have been here.
Except for this, its been AWESOME.
Don't forget PRAY for Tony Mac.
 
The freeplay was fine. It had some play same as any motorcycle I've ever owned and I've owned bikes for 39 years. It wasn't sloppy loose and wasn't too tight. Therefore, I'd have to disagree with you in this case unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean by freeplay.

As far as checking things, I don't just hop on and ride. I do a pre-check to include fluids, tires, etc... and a general walk around. I spent an hour going through the bike the night before checking every nut and bolt I could reach and all the fluids.

Thanks for blaming it on me, however. I appreciate it. ;)

I'm not balming anything on you. It obviously has a problem and usually shaft breakage is directly attributable to lack of freeplay. I wasn't riding the bike...you were.

Now, to the meat of it. You've had bikes for 40 years? Ever have a pre-Hinkley Triumph or a Norton, AJS, Royal Enfield, Velocette or Matchless? All the pre Hinkley bikes have something in common with the Rocket and that is metal to metal contact in the actuation mechanism. Like Tomo has explained, the short shaft (in the clutch itself) contacts a bearing which is supposed to preclude any rotation between the short shaft and the actuation shaft (which connects to the bellcrank on the outside of the housing). Sometimes however, the short shaft turns (for reasons unknown) when the clutch is disengaged (pressure is applied to the basket releasing the plates). and the short shaft spins. The short shaft spins in the lifter shaft (long shaft) and eats out the lifter shaft recess and it eventually breaks. Tomo suggested checking the short shaft for excessive runout. I suggest checking the long one as well. In lieu of a dial indicator and centers, toll the shafts on a piece of float glass. That will give you a good idea. Modern float glass is flat within a couple 10ths.

Now the freeplay. The old Limey bikes are like the R3 in that they used solid actuators as well. The Limey bikes use a ball (like a ball bearing) on the end of the actuator shaft and holding the clutch in the released position for extended periods welded the ball to the basket and the end of the shaft resulting in basically the same scenario you have. The R3 is very similar in physical characteristics.

Freeplay is critical as is the start point of the bellcrank in relationship to the actuator mechanism. 2mm at the handlebar MUST BE MAINTAINED at all times, no exceptions. Any less than 2 mm (between the handlever and the handlebar attachement casting will result in a broken lifetr shaft because the freeplay isn't sufficient and it's going to eat itself and there is no way around it.

I'm familiar enough with my bike that I don't have to check the freeplay to know it's right. I can tell from the mechanical noise the engine emits between a clutch engaged situation and a clutch disengaged situation. It's a very different sound and seat of the pants feeling, but that's just me and that might not work for you.

With the exeption of the Rock and the old Silver Wing GL500, clutch actuation is straight through instead of transmitting the motion through a right angle...something that has to be done with the engine/clutch setup on the Rock. The Goldwing also has the same arrangement but it has a hydraulic slave cylinder instead of the 2 piece arrangement.

On another note, I hope Tony and his wife are ok. Please keep us informed as the situation unflods.
 
update.
Prayer works.
Sandy was on with Tony.
Lester and his wife went down too.
Poppa Duke went with his trailer to recover the 2 bikes.
Lonnie and others are with the bikes waitting on the trailer.
Tony, Sandy and I guess Lester and his wife are in the chase vehicle headed back to the motel.
Chase vehicle was piloted by Steve Scowerds wife.
Known injuries at this time.
Tony.. back sore and shoulder hurting.
Sandy.. jammed thumb
Lester.. no injurys reported
Lesters wife.. road rash on butt.
So in essence, everybody is still alive and not hurt real bad.
Bikes can be fixed so that part ain't no biggie.
More when I know more.
Thanks for praying everybody and Thank you Jesus.
 
Thoughts and prayers are with them and I'm glad it wasn't too serious. I wish a safe ride for everyone and that everybody gets home safe. Besides the crash, sounds like a good time was had by all. I still don't know what prompted me (besides the weather) to stay home but I guess I'll never know and have faith that everything happens for a reason.:rolleyes:
 
sweetennbabe just got off the phone with cats deli and said that they had left bout 2-2:30pm from there and from what the owner overheard that no one was serously hurt just banged up hope everyone is alright if we find out anything else on this end will let everyone know
 
Sorry to hear of the bikers going down, but glad everyone is OK. It sucks that the bikes are damaged, but bikes can be fixed or replaced.

Sorry Flip, it just sounded like you were saying the bike broke due to lack of maintenance on my part. That simply wasn't the case. Again, the freeplay was fine. I saw assembly and how it all works. Frankly, the notch (where it snapped) in the shaft seems awefully thin to me, but I'm not an engineer so who knows. Yes, I know that if there's not enough freeplay it wears on the parts. Btw, the dealer said there's a break in the VIN on the Rockets where the parts were updated. All of the R3Ts have the updated parts. Hopefully, it was just a freak thing. The dealer said he's not seen this issue with the updated bikes. He did say he's seen a couple that had the old parts.
 
Lester and Marie back

Lester and Marie are back with us now as are both bikes.
Marie is really stove up, back, neck and butt hurting pretty good.
Lester says only his thumb and pride got hurt.
Tony and Sandy are at the hospital both getting checked out.
Tony's shoulder and Sandy's thumb.
Bikes ain't perfect but everyone is alive,
and thats all thats really imoportant anyway.
We'll post picks of the bikes,
but I don't think Marie is gonna let us post a pic of her road rash.
 
me and sweettennbabe just want to let evryone know we had a great time and enjoyed meeting all of you there hope we can make it to the next one and have just has much if not more fun everyone ride home safe when you leave
 
Thank you from Holiday

Thank you guys for a great weekend. We really appreciate your business.
Here is some more photos.....

Gabi
 

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