So what's next ?

[Bigjaype]

What is becoming apparent in Australia, is the lack of electricity to charge all the EV's. Very few will charge their EV's in the middle of the day when solar energy is boosting the grid.
What they are finding is that when Joe Electric gets home after work and parks his toaster and plugs in the charger, so is almost every other EV owner and the grid takes a big hit!

 

[Torquex2]

Actually, the statement "Loud Pipes Saves Lives" makes bikers believe that they will be heard. Unfortunately, this is not always the case. Granted, in your scenario with a car at standstill and with you throbbing next to her, she would have possible noticed you, but a distracted driver is a distracted driver...
When I listen to music in my car on a hot day with the windows closed and the aircon on, I don't hear motorcycles, no matter how loud their pipes. I'd rather be visible than rely on exhaust noise to be noticed. Bright lights being in the right place on the road for drivers to see you is a much safer bet.

You’re absolutely right. I thought about that after I posted the thread. I could have taken off my cloths, and done a hand stand on my handlebars, and two girls engaged in conversation would have never noticed . Good point.

 

[Torquex2]

What is becoming apparent in Australia, is the lack of electricity to charge all the EV's. Very few will charge their EV's in the middle of the day when solar energy is boosting the grid.
What they are finding is that when Joe Electric gets home after work and parks his toaster and plugs in the charger, so is almost every other EV owner and the grid takes a big hit!

Not to mention that even without the addition of millions of charging stations throughout. California, and NY, among others already experience frequent brown outs. Like I stayed earlier. Invention without infrastructure is a disaster waiting to happen. But the elites are confident we’ll figure it out long after they cash in their market shares .

 

[atomsplitter]

Just my perspective after working 30 years in electric generation on how EV's and infrastructure are about to clash. There are only a few viable ways of making commercial electricity, coal, gas, nuclear, and wind. Solar is OK for individual houses but solar farms aren't commercially a thing (yet). Wind power is awesome as long as there is wind, it knocks birds and bats out of the sky with alarming regularity and has the grid going up and down like a pogo stick, which is why the government requires extra "spinning reserve" from base load plants for operators with wind farms to absorb the fluctuations on voltage on the grid. Depending on where you live the grid is made up of 345 KV on up to 700 KV distribution lines. Those lines feed substations where the voltage is reduced for distribution, typically about 7KV. That's what is feeding your transformer on a pole in the backyard or pedestal base before it hits your house (in the USA) at 240 VAC. As demand goes up generation has to increase, putting more electrons down the wires. Those wire respond by heating up from the current flow (check out the wires in your toaster for this effect). When the system current flow gets really high the heat load causes the wires to elongate creating more sag. No big deal until it contacts something grounded, like a tree. That's what caused the great 2008 Northeast blackout, a single tree in a neighborhood. So in the densely populated Northeast corridor we switch all the gas guzzlers to EV's and when summer hits all those folks plug in at 5:30 PM getting home from work, flip on the air conditioning and the system overloads, consequently nobodies bus, car, bike, skateboard, gets charged, and transportation comes to a hot sweaty halt while tempers flair over the countries utilities not making enough electricity. Here's the rub: US government mandated deregulation back in the 1980's forced electric utilities to separate generation from distribution. The two sides are not allowed to talk to each other, at all. It's considered "insider trading" if distribution knows what generation is doing. The kicker is nobody can make a profit from owning the wires all that electricity is flowing over. So why would anyone spend a nickel to put more wire up? You can't profit from it, it' requires routine maintenance and you could only get a tax break once. Until the US government wakes up and smells what it's shoveling the system can only degrade.

 

[Mighty Mouse]

You’re absolutely right. I thought about that after I posted the thread. I could have taken off my cloths, and done a hand stand on my handlebars, and two girls engaged in conversation would have never noticed . Good point.

If you did the naked handstand your balls would be in your face and you wouldn't be able to see the road and you would crash. Speaking from experience. Safety first my friend.

 

[Bigjaype]

Just my perspective after working 30 years in electric generation on how EV's and infrastructure are about to clash. There are only a few viable ways of making commercial electricity, coal, gas, nuclear, and wind. Solar is OK for individual houses but solar farms aren't commercially a thing (yet). Wind power is awesome as long as there is wind, it knocks birds and bats out of the sky with alarming regularity and has the grid going up and down like a pogo stick, which is why the government requires extra "spinning reserve" from base load plants for operators with wind farms to absorb the fluctuations on voltage on the grid. Depending on where you live the grid is made up of 345 KV on up to 700 KV distribution lines. Those lines feed substations where the voltage is reduced for distribution, typically about 7KV. That's what is feeding your transformer on a pole in the backyard or pedestal base before it hits your house (in the USA) at 240 VAC. As demand goes up generation has to increase, putting more electrons down the wires. Those wire respond by heating up from the current flow (check out the wires in your toaster for this effect). When the system current flow gets really high the heat load causes the wires to elongate creating more sag. No big deal until it contacts something grounded, like a tree. That's what caused the great 2008 Northeast blackout, a single tree in a neighborhood. So in the densely populated Northeast corridor we switch all the gas guzzlers to EV's and when summer hits all those folks plug in at 5:30 PM getting home from work, flip on the air conditioning and the system overloads, consequently nobodies bus, car, bike, skateboard, gets charged, and transportation comes to a hot sweaty halt while tempers flair over the countries utilities not making enough electricity. Here's the rub: US government mandated deregulation back in the 1980's forced electric utilities to separate generation from distribution. The two sides are not allowed to talk to each other, at all. It's considered "insider trading" if distribution knows what generation is doing. The kicker is nobody can make a profit from owning the wires all that electricity is flowing over. So why would anyone spend a nickel to put more wire up? You can't profit from it, it' requires routine maintenance and you could only get a tax break once. Until the US government wakes up and smells what it's shoveling the system can only degrade.

Australia, land of sunshine and desert, has solar farms and large scale storage batteries. Unfortunately, the batteries have limited capacity and don't have much run time under full load. We are talking minutes and seconds rather than days and hours. They do help to balance loads and absorb the huge solar input from the government's failed solar incentive plan. The only way EV's will become viable, IMHO, is if nuclear is accepted as the clean fuel that it is and that the destruction that fossil fuels are supposed to be causing is replaced by the equally destructive process of manufacturing batteries and their consequent disposal creates.

 

[Torquex2]

Just my perspective after working 30 years in electric generation on how EV's and infrastructure are about to clash. There are only a few viable ways of making commercial electricity, coal, gas, nuclear, and wind. Solar is OK for individual houses but solar farms aren't commercially a thing (yet). Wind power is awesome as long as there is wind, it knocks birds and bats out of the sky with alarming regularity and has the grid going up and down like a pogo stick, which is why the government requires extra "spinning reserve" from base load plants for operators with wind farms to absorb the fluctuations on voltage on the grid. Depending on where you live the grid is made up of 345 KV on up to 700 KV distribution lines. Those lines feed substations where the voltage is reduced for distribution, typically about 7KV. That's what is feeding your transformer on a pole in the backyard or pedestal base before it hits your house (in the USA) at 240 VAC. As demand goes up generation has to increase, putting more electrons down the wires. Those wire respond by heating up from the current flow (check out the wires in your toaster for this effect). When the system current flow gets really high the heat load causes the wires to elongate creating more sag. No big deal until it contacts something grounded, like a tree. That's what caused the great 2008 Northeast blackout, a single tree in a neighborhood. So in the densely populated Northeast corridor we switch all the gas guzzlers to EV's and when summer hits all those folks plug in at 5:30 PM getting home from work, flip on the air conditioning and the system overloads, consequently nobodies bus, car, bike, skateboard, gets charged, and transportation comes to a hot sweaty halt while tempers flair over the countries utilities not making enough electricity. Here's the rub: US government mandated deregulation back in the 1980's forced electric utilities to separate generation from distribution. The two sides are not allowed to talk to each other, at all. It's considered "insider trading" if distribution knows what generation is doing. The kicker is nobody can make a profit from owning the wires all that electricity is flowing over. So why would anyone spend a nickel to put more wire up? You can't profit from it, it' requires routine maintenance and you could only get a tax break once. Until the US government wakes up and smells what it's shoveling the system can only degrade.

Precisely what I said. Just without all the education and electrical job experience stuff. Great post

 

[Dr.D]

There is lots of money in the petroleum fuel industry and I doubt they will die a silent death.

Switching to all EVs is a fantasy and not feasible anytime soon. Therefore I wonder what the real angle is behind the scenes? These talks of drastic shifts in transportation looks like smoke and mirrors to me.

 

[Torquex2]

There is lots of money in the petroleum fuel industry and I doubt they will die a silent death.

Switching to all EVs is a fantasy and not feasible anytime soon. Therefore I wonder what the real angle is behind the scenes? These talks of drastic shifts in transportation looks like smoke and mirrors to me.

“RESET” is going to be a multi trillion dollar industry. The next great grift.

 

[Bigjaype]

To be honest, EV's are a lot of fun to ride and drive. There is still a long road ahead before they will replace the internal combustion engine.
Already, the way the emission controls are going, it's going to take the fun out of any mode of transport...but only if we let them!
Laws are changing, here is an example.

A colleague of mine decided to use up his long service leave by taking his family on a lap of Australia in his modified 4wd and camper trailer.
Besides the usual suspension modification to handle the rough, rough roads of the outback, he also did some changes to the fueling and emission (exhaust) system. This included removal of the OEM exhaust and fitting a larger diameter custom with DPF and Catalyst omitted.

Unfortunately, a week away from home, the whole kit and kaboodle decided to roll over for a nap in the desert. Besides a few bruises, the family came out of it pretty unscathed.

And, here is the kicker. Insurance refuses to pay out as it is illegal to tamper with emission systems.