R3T derestricting

[aviation1972]

Ladies and gents,
I have had more than a few calls about Touring model performance. This should help out more than a few of you.

The Touring models are the same except for the exhaust and ECU calibration. BOTH are very restricted.The ECU controls the secondary throttles and actually closes them at higher rpm and higher gears. In the exhaust, the header is the same, but the box after the header is very restrictive. Slip-ons (TORS and D&D) really don't do much except for sound.

Neither do air filters under the seat. Triple K&N RU-2780 filters make a bit more from 4000-5500 rpm, but have the same peak power output as the stock air filter. The stock intake plenum and ducting actually makes more torque under 3000 rpm than triple RU-2780 filters under the bearclaw. It is not until you go to a full exhaust system that the RU-2780 filters make a difference.

A stock R3T or one with a slip-on exhaust tends to make ~86 hp on my dyno (~ 13% lower than a Dynojet), and 130-131 ft-lb of torque. Simply re-calibrating the ECU (mapping) tends to result in 115-117 hp, and 140-142 ft-lb of torque. A very nice improvement.

Attached is a "tune" for stock and slip-on exhaust R3T models, as well as a graph of output differences. Dashed lines are torque. Red is an R3T with TORS and stock air filter. Yellow is after tuning. This resulted in 43+ mpg cruising at 70 mph on 87 octane fuel. Speedo corrected for stock tire. Speed limiter raised. Ignition timing improved in lower gears. ENJOY!

You can also find this map on Tom Hamburg's TuneECU.com site under the custom Triumph tunes section.

Power-Tripp, ( or any willing R3 owners )? I have a 2013 Tourer. I have several "quick" questions. Pardon the pun, but I need a crash course. By reading so much, I've discovered how little I know. Please help? I read an Internet ad for a Dyno-Boost Performance Chip manufactured by a company named Magnum. I think it's an ECU. Doesn't my 2013 R3T already have an ECU? Is this ad for a replacement, or an add-on? If I have an ECU already, is my stock ECU adequate, or would I benefit from this Magnum chip? They claim 15% horsepower gains, along with 6% better fuel economy. Here's the product link: Triumph Rocket III Touring MAGNUM Dyno-Boost Motorcycle Performance Chip

Now, let me ask, does my 2013 R3T have an oxygen sensor? Which exhaust pipes are better? The D&D's, or the TORS? Should my cat box be removed, or leave it on, and just switch the mufflers to slip-ons? Would it be beneficial to remove the cat box, and install a cat box bypass pipe in its place, leading back toward the mufflers? Final question. Can a RamAir conversion be done, without having to dismantle the air box? I don't think the weight of the air box is burdensome. I don't care if the air box stays, ( if I'm the one doing the work ). I would still get the RamAir benefits, whether I leave the air box in, or not. Right? In the end, I realize I'll have to tackle tuning, but for now, I first need a quick fill-me-in on many of "the basics". Thanks all. I have a lot to learn.... Russell

 

[RichRIII]

Power-Tripp, ( or any willing R3 owners )? I have a 2013 Tourer. I have several "quick" questions. Pardon the pun, but I need a crash course. By reading so much, I've discovered how little I know. Please help? I read an Internet ad for a Dyno-Boost Performance Chip manufactured by a company named Magnum. I think it's an ECU. Doesn't my 2013 R3T already have an ECU? Is this ad for a replacement, or an add-on? If I have an ECU already, is my stock ECU adequate, or would I benefit from this Magnum chip? They claim 15% horsepower gains, along with 6% better fuel economy. Here's the product link: Triumph Rocket III Touring MAGNUM Dyno-Boost Motorcycle Performance Chip

Now, let me ask, does my 2013 R3T have an oxygen sensor? Which exhaust pipes are better? The D&D's, or the TORS? Should my cat box be removed, or leave it on, and just switch the mufflers to slip-ons? Would it be beneficial to remove the cat box, and install a cat box bypass pipe in its place, leading back toward the mufflers? Final question. Can a RamAir conversion be done, without having to dismantle the air box? I don't think the weight of the air box is burdensome. I don't care if the air box stays, ( if I'm the one doing the work ). I would still get the RamAir benefits, whether I leave the air box in, or not. Right? In the end, I realize I'll have to tackle tuning, but for now, I first need a quick fill-me-in on many of "the basics". Thanks all. I have a lot to learn.... Russell

I have almost the same bike. 2014. Get a Tune ECU cable for 20 bucks and install the PowerTrip tune. Both on my his website via links. I would go with the D&D, I had a credit with triumph $500 and bought their TOT. Had to return several times due to crome issues. The cats are in your mufflers not the crossover pipe. I have the K&N air filter. I would get it or the Ramair.

No need to pay a bunch of money for a chip, you can use power trips tune via your laptop. Yes you have an oxygen sensor.

 

[RichRIII]

I have almost the same bike. 2014. Get a Tune ECU cable for 20 bucks and install the PowerTrip tune. Both on my his website via links. I would go with the D&D, I had a credit with triumph $500 and bought their TOT. Had to return several times due to crome issues. The cats are in your mufflers not the crossover pipe. I have the K&N air filter. I would get it or the Ramair.

No need to pay a bunch of money for a chip, you can use power trips tune via your laptop. Yes you have an oxygen sensor.

When you install a Ramair, you remove the air box.

 

[skydog1000]

You leave the air box but you remove all the air piping under your gas tank. You will need to K & M Small filters for you air sensor and your crankcase breather

 

[aviation1972]

I have almost the same bike. 2014. Get a Tune ECU cable for 20 bucks and install the PowerTrip tune. Both on my his website via links. I would go with the D&D, I had a credit with triumph $500 and bought their TOT. Had to return several times due to crome issues. The cats are in your mufflers not the crossover pipe. I have the K&N air filter. I would get it or the Ramair.

No need to pay a bunch of money for a chip, you can use power trips tune via your laptop. Yes you have an oxygen sensor.

Thank you very much, RichRIII. I really appreciate the info.

 

[aviation1972]

When you install a Ramair, you remove the air box.

I've watched the very fine and detailed YouTube video on removing the air box, attendant to RamAir installation. It appears very involved, although it all made sense to me. It seems so tedious and involved, however, that I was considering installing the RamAir, without removing the air box. What harm would that do? Would it be harmful at all? I know. It probably sounds stupid to most of you, ( to me too ), but what does that plumbing under the gas tank weigh? A few ounces? Perhaps? I also read, that after the air box is removed, when a RamAir installation is done, care has to be taken to prevent rain water from entering beneath the gas tank, where the air box used to be. What about that?

 

[aviation1972]

You leave the air box but you remove all the air piping under your gas tank. You will need to K & M Small filters for you air sensor and your crankcase breather

Thank you Skydog1000, and RichRIII. I should have said, I meant to leave the air piping remaining beneath the gas tank. I wrongfully used the term, "air box". Would it harm anything to leave the air piping in place, once the RamAir conversion is completed? What problems, ( if any ), could be caused by just leaving the air piping in there, under the gas tank? I'd happily remove it, but I'd need someone looking over my shoulder, or a computer monitor next to me, so I could replay the YouTube video numerous times, while performing the task. If I'm removing the air pipes just to save weight, it seems I'd only be trimming a few ounces off the bike. Your thoughts?

 

[RichRIII]

No worries. With the K&N you can go with the single under the seat, the 3 individual or the ram air. I have the one under the seat. I am not shire what all you remove with the other systems. Skydog does.
Some time down the road I may look at headers and one of the other intakes on the throttle bodies, but it runs really well how it is now.

I will tell you to pull off your side covers and apply a good silicone gew where they mount. I and many other touring owners have had them blow off. The silicone works bonds to the rubber and the plastic.

 

[aviation1972]

No worries. With the K&N you can go with the single under the seat, the 3 individual or the ram air. I have the one under the seat. I am not shire what all you remove with the other systems. Skydog does.
Some time down the road I may look at headers and one of the other intakes on the throttle bodies, but it runs really well how it is now.

I will tell you to pull off your side covers and apply a good silicone gew where they mount. I and many other touring owners have had them blow off. The silicone works bonds to the rubber and the plastic.

Thanks for the silicon tip. I'll do that tomorrow morning. Those side covers do seem a little loose most of the time. After some rides I'm surprised they're still there. Thought my legs may have had something to do with it. Guess not, though. I thought the 3 small, individual air filters that mount beneath the bear claw were part of the RamAir system? Are you telling me, you can buy and install those 3 small air filters, and still not have a RamAir conversion? Is the K&N replacement air filter under the seat a "real" improvement over the stock under the seat air filter? If so, I may not tinker under the bear claw either. Thanks.

 

[Bob R]

Go onto bike bandit and spend the money for a couple of extra grommets for the side covers. They may or may not stay in place even with the silicon. If you have to order them once they are gone it will take a while. Or get your dealer to order some in for you in case you don't want to pay shipping.

bob