Penner maps

[Kevin frazier]

No dynos? 20 thousand dollar bikes deserve to be dynoed, . Its a good thing we got Penner. @Nashvegas show us what your tune looks like, post your dyno for a look at that fire breathing dragon you got. Them pipes are nasty! Fireworks show at nighttime for sure.

 

[dougl]

Can you share the map reading off TuneECU so those who know how to make sense of such things can compare it with Penner's Tune? That's what I'm running and very happy with it, but naturally curious what kind of voodoo BT Moto has up their sleeve.

You can’t read maps with Tuneecu through a Bluetooth connection.

 

[Penner]

You safely gain about 25hp with my map.
At higher revs fueling is pretty rich and it can be another 5hp adjusting it to AFR 12.8.
But this should be done on a dyno.
Prost

 

[Journeyman]

You safely gain about 25hp with my map.
At higher revs fueling is pretty rich and it can be another 5hp adjusting it to AFR 12.8.
But this should be done on a dyno.
Prost

Your tune has performed excellently for me and is all that I need, as is. Thanks!

 

[2023R3GT]

The Penner map is published, what I mean is the values and changes are transparent. Not everyone is transparent in this sense - BT Moto and other lock the maps so you cant see what was done.

below a summary of Penner fuel and air changes as a percentage. I’ve looked at his maps and used some datapoints as referencing when I build my map.
data presented is differential from original map

Penner Fuel table - increases on the lower end and decreases up top as percentage

Penner air table with increases lower down as percentage
and small changes to AFR tables ever so slightly increase AFR %
and unrestricted throttle map for evt3

Im not mathematically inclined but I believe I got the values correct.
below the AFR increases I developed for my tune along with update throttle map on all 3 modes (44%, 75% and 100%)

 

[Protonhound]

The Penner map is published, what I mean is the values and changes are transparent. Not everyone is transparent in this sense - BT Moto and other lock the maps so you cant see what was done.

below a summary of Penner fuel and air changes as a percentage. I’ve looked at his maps and used some datapoints as referencing when I build my map.
data presented is differential from original map

Penner Fuel table - increases on the lower end and decreases up top as percentage

Penner air table with increases lower down as percentage
and small changes to AFR tables ever so slightly increase AFR %
and unrestricted throttle map for evt3

Im not mathematically inclined but I believe I got the values correct.
below the AFR increases I developed for my tune along with update throttle map on all 3 modes (44%, 75% and 100%)

I still don't understand why you're doing all this when Ulf Penner has already created a perfectly good map using a dyno that everyone is more than happy with and that has proven to work extremely well based on all the feedback.

 

[2023R3GT]

I still don't understand why you're doing all this when Ulf Penner has already created a perfectly good map using a dyno that everyone is more than happy with and that has proven to work extremely well based on all the feedback

It would seem you find this difficult to understand as you keep asking/making me the same comment? I don't follow blindly and therefore done my own work/research, it's just who I am. That said and as you know, there is nothing wrong with Ulf's work, he has a proven track record. This is also a platform to share and exchange thoughts etc.

I've shared this data to give folk insights into Penner work as no-one else provides details - he is the only transparent tuner thus far and deserves HUGE respect in this regard!
I do have access to dyno, innovate wideband AFR sensor/analyser, Tune ECU and access to more than one bike so similar approach Ulf followed, but for South Africa, our conditions and fuel ... Hopefully this reduces your concerns for me not following everyone else, best wishes

 

[dougl]

It would seem you find this difficult to understand as you keep asking/making me the same comment? I don't follow blindly and therefore done my own work/research, it's just who I am. That said and as you know, there is nothing wrong with Ulf's work, he has a proven track record. This is also a platform to share and exchange thoughts etc.

I've shared this data to give folk insights into Penner work as no-one else provides details - he is the only transparent tuner thus far and deserves HUGE respect in this regard!
I do have access to dyno, innovate wideband AFR sensor/analyser, Tune ECU and access to more than one bike so similar approach Ulf followed, but for South Africa, our conditions and fuel ... Hopefully this reduces your concerns for me not following everyone else, best wishes

It’s a bit difficult follow. Would you mind sharing your map with me so I can compare it in Tuneecu?

 

[2023R3GT]

It’s a bit difficult follow. Would you mind sharing your map with me so I can compare it in Tuneecu?

I'll share my AFR values so you can see how it relates to the indicated % differential above.

More importantly this is a Penner Map thread - I don't want to disrupt/dilute all the good work done here. let stay on topic. best wishes

 

[stonk]

Great thread way above my head. Question I have the Penner map installed but am about to hack the stock pipes to remove the guts. Would the Penner map still be good or should it be tweaked.

I would dyno it but no one in my area Of Calgary.