Next Rocket model

[LAS VEGAS DAVE]

One of the nicest bikes I've ever ridden. Gearing is good and engine is too, bike stops great and handles fine. I still think it would be even nicer with a six speed or the overall ratio raised a little so that all the gears were slightly higher. If they never do anything but leave the bike as it is right now I would still be satisfied but nothings wrong with it becoming even better.

 

[Paul Bryant]

The common point through the last few posts is not max speed or max RPM, but "cruising" at a lower RPM than what the stock.
Example;
My old T160 Triumph Triple, stock engine size 750 cc's, stock gearing 19T gearbox, 50 on the rear.
I built a strocker 1000cc Engine, High Comp flat top Pistons, Carrillo Rods, MegaCycle cams etc etc all the bells and whistles.
Knowing it was going to put out way more torque than stock I knew I'd have to raise the gearing.
With stock gearing it would have simply been free revving and not getting the power to the ground.
Simply put, and this is real analytical ! I went out on the road ignoring both instruments, I rode the bike at an engine speed that "felt" good.
Looking at the Tacho I was doing 3K RPM, but only about 50MPH.
I wanted this 3K at a better cruising speed.
I did the numbers so that that engine speed was at a higher cruising speed.
I ended up with 19/38 combo, this put 100MPH at about 4K RPM (and it would accelerate from there).
The point is, at "normal" (for me) cruising speed it was idling along at about a more comfortable 3K RPM.

The Rocket could be doing the same sort of thing ("normal" cruising speed) but at 2K RPM, sure you can raise the rev limit Art, and go faster out right, but that's not the point, I for one would like to be doing 2K RPM at about 75-80 MPH, speed limits etc not relevant. The stock Engine has the grunt to do this.

As Warp has said (and this Man DOES know what he is talking about, Tool Maker, Son of a Tool Maker, Son of a Tool Maker), altering what we have got is 99% near on impossible, so we are stuck with what we have got
C'mon Triumph, listen to what the people are saying.

 

[IMFASTTOO]

The common point through the last few posts is not max speed or max RPM, but "cruising" at a lower RPM than what the stock.
Example;
My old T160 Triumph Triple, stock engine size 750 cc's, stock gearing 19T gearbox, 50 on the rear.
I built a strocker 1000cc Engine, High Comp flat top Pistons, Carrillo Rods, MegaCycle cams etc etc all the bells and whistles.
Knowing it was going to put out way more torque than stock I knew I'd have to raise the gearing.
With stock gearing it would have simply been free revving and not getting the power to the ground.
Simply put, and this is real analytical ! I went out on the road ignoring both instruments, I rode the bike at an engine speed that "felt" good.
Looking at the Tacho I was doing 3K RPM, but only about 50MPH.
I wanted this 3K at a better cruising speed.
I did the numbers so that that engine speed was at a higher cruising speed.
I ended up with 19/38 combo, this put 100MPH at about 4K RPM (and it would accelerate from there).
The point is, at "normal" (for me) cruising speed it was idling along at about a more comfortable 3K RPM.

The Rocket could be doing the same sort of thing ("normal" cruising speed) but at 2K RPM, sure you can raise the rev limit Art, and go faster out right, but that's not the point, I for one would like to be doing 2K RPM at about 75-80 MPH, speed limits etc not relevant. The stock Engine has the grunt to do this.

As Warp has said (and this Man DOES know what he is talking about, Tool Maker, Son of a Tool Maker, Son of a Tool Maker), altering what we have got is 99% near on impossible, so we are stuck with what we have got
C'mon Triumph, listen to what the people are saying.

Best gas mileage of 44 mpg cruising on the Highway going at the same speed as traffic I dont like cruising at higher speeds over 75 its uncomfortable and I have to worry about the cops my friends with sportbikes are always screaming down the road at crazy speeds and they have been stopped and had their bikes impounded and fined costing them thousands and loosing their drivers prillages and tahts happened several times.

 

[warp9.9]

The common point through the last few posts is not max speed or max RPM, but "cruising" at a lower RPM than what the stock.
Example;
My old T160 Triumph Triple, stock engine size 750 cc's, stock gearing 19T gearbox, 50 on the rear.
I built a strocker 1000cc Engine, High Comp flat top Pistons, Carrillo Rods, MegaCycle cams etc etc all the bells and whistles.
Knowing it was going to put out way more torque than stock I knew I'd have to raise the gearing.
With stock gearing it would have simply been free revving and not getting the power to the ground.
Simply put, and this is real analytical ! I went out on the road ignoring both instruments, I rode the bike at an engine speed that "felt" good.
Looking at the Tacho I was doing 3K RPM, but only about 50MPH.
I wanted this 3K at a better cruising speed.
I did the numbers so that that engine speed was at a higher cruising speed.
I ended up with 19/38 combo, this put 100MPH at about 4K RPM (and it would accelerate from there).
The point is, at "normal" (for me) cruising speed it was idling along at about a more comfortable 3K RPM.

The Rocket could be doing the same sort of thing ("normal" cruising speed) but at 2K RPM, sure you can raise the rev limit Art, and go faster out right, but that's not the point, I for one would like to be doing 2K RPM at about 75-80 MPH, speed limits etc not relevant. The stock Engine has the grunt to do this.

As Warp has said (and this Man DOES know what he is talking about, Tool Maker, Son of a Tool Maker, Son of a Tool Maker), altering what we have got is 99% near on impossible, so we are stuck with what we have got
C'mon Triumph, listen to what the people are saying.

I would kind of agree with you pal except I think 1000 rpm drop is a bit to much but I surely see 2500 as a good speed at 75 mph. I do like the idea of changing the secondary out put ratio then you will have a little more in each gear also.I will have to do the math and check the engine block to see if you can change it more like a 50 tooth driver and 46 tooth driven which would be a 13.5% change from OEM. Of course most likely we will not see a change from Triumph. Heck you can not even get a bike with color on it anymore.

 

[grampi]

I'm curious as to where all of you guys are riding that you need a 6th gear. Most of my riding is done cruising around on the back roads, putting around at 50 or 55 most of the time. If I hit 80 MPH, it's while I'm horsing around and I generally don't stay at that speed for very long. I don't do any touring on my R3R and I don't plan to, so I would never really get much use from a 6th gear. 5th gear seems to be plenty tall enough for every application except for those who like doing high speed, cross country touring...

 

[idk]

If a V2 and an inline 3 are both doing (approximately) 3,000rpm at 80mph, then the 3 cylinder has 50% more bangs. Therefore the V2 will feel like the engine is running slower. My V6 Camaro does 80mph at 2,350rpm, and handles it quite comfortably. Why can't Triumph raise the ratios of all the gears by 20-25%? This would give more comfort when cruising, better fuel economy, and (I suspect) a better 0-60mph time as you wouldn't have to change gear before hitting 60. The only difference would be that you may want to be doing 30mph before changing to top gear rather than 25.

 

[IMFASTTOO]

I'm curious as to where all of you guys are riding that you need a 6th gear. Most of my riding is done cruising around on the back roads, putting around at 50 or 55 most of the time. If I hit 80 MPH, it's while I'm horsing around and I generally don't stay at that speed for very long. I don't do any touring on my R3R and I don't plan to, so I would never really get much use from a 6th gear. 5th gear seems to be plenty tall enough for every application except for those who like doing high speed, cross country touring...

Yes true even on the long over the highway rides I dont go much over the speed limit i just keep up with traffic the Rocket is already geared high and higher than the other cruisers . I dont know where I would go to need even higher gearing ?

 

[LAS VEGAS DAVE]

I would kind of agree with you pal except I think 1000 rpm drop is a bit to much but I surely see 2500 as a good speed at 75 mph. I do like the idea of changing the secondary out put ratio then you will have a little more in each gear also.I will have to do the math and check the engine block to see if you can change it more like a 50 tooth driver and 46 tooth driven which would be a 13.5% change from OEM. Of course most likely we will not see a change from Triumph. Heck you can not even get a bike with color on it anymore.

Warp, I agree a 100% on the rpm range you suggest. I think Paul Bryant nailed the point of this debate. If you do figure out that a 50 tooth driver or whatever is the ticket to the higher ratio and you would be interested in having some kits made for owners to make the swap I'd be interested.

 

[LAS VEGAS DAVE]

Yes true even on the long over the highway rides I dont go much over the speed limit i just keep up with traffic the Rocket is already geared high and higher than the other cruisers . I dont know where I would go to need even higher gearing ?

You seem to miss the point, we don't NEED higher gearing, it would just make cruising more comfortable. By the way I rarely ride under 80 mph on the highways leaving Vegas, the traffic flow is at least 80 and also lots of 90mph traffic flow. The western states have many open highways. The speed limit is usually 75 but its not enforced. Some roads have 80 mph limits but the traffic seems to flow the same as if it were a 75 mph limit. If you read Paul Bryants post he seems to say best what some of us feel. I can't imagine cruising on a Rocket at 55 mph, it would drive me nuts.

 

[R3T-Too]

75 to 80 isn't really excessive speed around here.

Of course some people disagree.