LED Headlights - Daymaker - 5.75" on Rocket Roadster

[vanguard138]

Why bother? - The Truck-Lite Phase 7 beam pattern is better and they cost 50% less. I have one in my Guzzi.

And - no bones - I'd be talking to Rivera Primo if I was in the USA as well. They use the (ime) very excellent CREE XM-L family of chips used in most BRIGHT torches.
They were made to fit just about any M/C bucket - whereas the Speaker and Truck-lite were originally aimed at Trucks and offroaders - they happen to fit bikes.

The Speaker and Truck-Lite use proper automotive chips - not quite as bright per watt but supposedly more vibration resistant.

Thanks.

 

[1olbull]

Apparently no 5.75 inch offered???

 

[barbagris]

Very true as they use only a fraction of the normal lights

Hans - NOT SO!.

The 8630 Speakers we have use less as (like the OEM halogen) they are either main OR dip. Each circuit drawing about 2.00 Amps @ 12V DC. So roughly 40% of what a halogen does.
The 8630 uses 3 led clusters on dip and 3 on main.

The Harley Daymaker and Truck-Lite run dip and "main & dip" - The Truck-lite certainly draws twice the amperage on main. 12.8v, 1.80a (low beam), 3.60 amps (high beam).
Given the additional emitters in the Daymakers - I'0ll take a wild guess at them drawing about 4amps on main. - A Halogen 60w drawing 4.7amps at 12.8V. Marginal difference

Also read this http://www.jwspeaker.com/file_download/130/6543210 (Model 8630 Installation & Aiming Sheet 04.26.13).pdf

it contains this paragraph from the mfr.

The installation of a relay is essential to obtain maximum operating efficiency
of all lighting. Relays protect existing switches and wiring to prevent voltage
drop that occurs due to inadequate current carrying capacity.

I would add that ime you should add a switch into the lighting circuit to disable the lights when the engine is not running.
This per recommendation from JWSpeakers representatives in the UK. I'd done it anyway. There are ways to make this process automatic if you're forgetful.

I run my Guzzi's Truck-light off a relay too.

DO NOT BE FOOLED - ime LEDS produce about 250% more VISIBLE light per amp - UN spec's delimit the lumens.
LEDs do NOT produce more lumens - they produce more visible lumens.

Note LED and Halogen share the same spec's
E /ECE/324/Rev.2/Add.111/Rev.3− E /ECE/TRANS/505/Rev.2/Add.111/Rev.3
Uniform provisions concerning the approval of motor vehicle
headlamps emitting an asymmetrical passing-beam or a driving-beam
or both and equipped with filament lamps and/or light-emitting diode
(LED) modules

Section B6 (pages 18-19) table the outputs.

 

[barbagris]

Apparently no 5.75 inch offered???

Truck-Lite - NO!. Primo Rivera - YES!.

 

[1olbull]

Truck-Lite - NO!. Primo Rivera - YES!.

Checked out the Primo Rivera 5.75".
Pretty poor compared to the Daymaker IMO.
High beam looks good, but the low beam range at 3 lux sucks.

 

[barbagris]

Checked out the Primo Rivera 5.75".
Pretty poor compared to the Daymaker IMO.
High beam looks good, but the low beam range at 3 lux sucks.

It's why some enterprising soul needs to do a head to head

It's not all (as you know) about lux it's also where it is. imo the 8630's benefit (on two wheeled vehicles) from additional CLOSE RANGE lighting (fogs).

The concepts and technologies are different. The Primo is closer to the Truck-Lite in terms of design - and ime the Truck-Lite has a better distribution - maybe not as bright but somehow better on the road.

These guys thought so too.
www.bogiesreviews.webs.com
http://bogiesreviews.webs.com/Review - Phase 7 LED Headlights & Passing Lamps.pdf

ime the Speakers (refractive focusing) suffer from Chromatic aberration. The Truck-Lite (reflective focusing) does not.

 

[1olbull]

It's why some enterprising soul needs to do a head to head

It's not all (as you know) about lux it's also where it is. imo the 8630's benefit (on two wheeled vehicles) from additional CLOSE RANGE lighting (fogs).

Agreed!
if I could get my hands on some I would test with my fancy ass light meter at our level, dark Total Station measured grid.
I do like how the Primos use a 3.0 lux pattern on their scale.

 

[barbagris]

It's why some enterprising soul needs to do a head to head

It's not all (as you know) about lux it's also where it is. imo the 8630's benefit (on two wheeled vehicles) from additional CLOSE RANGE lighting (fogs).

The concepts and technologies are different. The Primo is closer to the Truck-Lite in terms of design - and ime the Truck-Lite has a better distribution - maybe not as bright but somehow better on the road.

These guys thought so too.
www.bogiesreviews.webs.com
http://bogiesreviews.webs.com/Review - Phase 7 LED Headlights & Passing Lamps.pdf

ime the Speakers (refractive focusing) suffer from Chromatic aberration. The Truck-Lite (reflective focusing) does not.

The primo looks to me as if it scatters a bit more - this is a plus if you want others to see your lights in daytime.

The Speakers are bloody good - but they are EXCELLENTLY concise. They light for YOU to see. Very little lateral scatter.

 

[1olbull]

The primo looks to me as if it scatters a bit more - this is a plus if you want others to see your lights in daytime.

The Speakers are bloody good - but they are EXCELLENTLY concise. They light for YOU to see. Very little lateral scatter.

This lateral lighting is VERY true and supported by my measurements.
+ and - 20 feet (40' width) or so at best.

 

[wordwarrior]

FINALLY......
I installed these lights. HD Daymakers.

Have to admit, they certainly look like they do the job and the black against the chrome looks cool (How does the light get out if they're black? )
Not sure if the exchange rate is fluctuating that much or HD have reduced the price but they seem to be a little cheaper than a month ago here (UK). What I prefer is the "Straight Swap" ability of the HD ones unlike the "Speakers" where Relays and shell mods are suggested.

Sorely tempted to raid the piggy bank.... Let's see what January brings. Might have to buy a new battery too, I think mine's dying

Nice looking air intake BTW where's that from?