I said I would never do it, but...........

[IMFASTTOO]

I wish i still had the pics, he was pretty messed up, till this day he says his memory has not recovered 100%
The bad thing is that it happened right in front of me and Skip, not a good sight

WHAT happened ?

 

[mexican]

WHAT happened ?

He came to visit, we were at Skip's house ready to go for a ride, he started the bike and took off like a bat out of hell for no reason,he was pretty messed up, was out for about 10 minutes with blood coming out of bunch of places, we could see his skull throgh the 4 inch cut ath the back of his head, not counting his broken foot and ribs, on the way out he almost took Skip with him, he is an experienced rider so we started looking for causes, found the device on full lock for some reason, further expert investigations agreed that the throttle lock was the cause of the spill according to Adam

 

[xlr8tion]

He came to visit, we were at Skip's house ready to go for a ride, he started the bike and took off like a bat out of hell for no reason,he was pretty messed up, was out for about 10 minutes with blood coming out of bunch of places, we could see his skull throgh the 4 inch cut ath the back of his head, not counting his broken foot and ribs, on the way out he almost took Skip with him, he is an experienced rider so we started looking for causes, found the device on full lock for some reason, further expert investigations agreed that the throttle lock was the cause of the spill according to Adam

That is tragic....When he started the bike was it in neutral and how did it get away from him? It would have redlined in neutral.

 

[1olbull]

I think you may be right. But, you werent around then were you??? How you know? Thought you joined later.

I was indeed around, in fact I communicated with him about his crash and gave warning about lingering head injury damage versus legal help regarding his throttle lock manufacturer.

 

[1olbull]

BULL SO what do you do ?

Court qualified collision reconstruction expert.
I do crash analysis work.

 

[IMFASTTOO]

Court qualified collision reconstruction expert.
I do crash analysis work.

VERY good then youve seen it all

I had a BrakeAway throttle lock that was mounted on one of my old VTX 1800s when I purchased the bike. Tried it two or three times and determined very quickly that it was a worthless and, yes, very dangerous, $180 POS and never, ever used it again.

The clip-on Throttle Rocker/Crampbuster is OK for folks with nerve or muscle problems in their right hands or as a cheap and easy way to rest your left hand, but I'm a big believer of always having your hands on or at the grips/controls and at the ready 100% of the time, so I wouldn't bother with them either.

FUNNY thing is PHIL CRAZY DAVE always used one of those throttle levers on his bikes and you know how accident prone he is having totaled all of his bikes and himself in the process having watched several of his accidents it always seemed like his throttle was stuck wide open and off he would go and BLAM SMASH BANG oops he did it again what an idiot I bet it was his favorite throttle lock that contributed to his crashes

 

[IMFASTTOO]

ONLY FYI - no opinion offered.
Since this is a darkside thread and I'm here anyway, I thought I'd post this case that just ran across my desk.
NOT meant to inflame - but this is the first professional related email I have received regarding a CT on a MC crash case.

"I have a client attorney needing an expert regarding a large touring bike equipped with an after-market passenger vehicle type tire. Apparently, between 60-65 mph, on a relatively flat curved portion of a roadway, the rear end of the m/c began to vigorously wobble and as the operator slowed, the wobble became stronger……m/c then either washed out or was laid down by the operator.
Client is looking for a motorcycle expert with experience with that can address the tire change.
Please respond directly to me and I will forward your information to the attorney."

CAN you discuss the facts of the accident here ?

 

[1olbull]

CAN you discuss the facts of the accident here ?

Nope, and I have not yet accepted the case or been formally retained. The case is in a state over 1500 miles away creating expensive logistics.

 

[IMFASTTOO]

ONLY FYI - no opinion offered.
Since this is a darkside thread and I'm here anyway, I thought I'd post this case that just ran across my desk.
NOT meant to inflame - but this is the first professional related email I have received regarding a CT on a MC crash case.

"I have a client attorney needing an expert regarding a large touring bike equipped with an after-market passenger vehicle type tire. Apparently, between 60-65 mph, on a relatively flat curved portion of a roadway, the rear end of the m/c began to vigorously wobble and as the operator slowed, the wobble became stronger……m/c then either washed out or was laid down by the operator.
Client is looking for a motorcycle expert with experience with that can address the tire change.
Please respond directly to me and I will forward your information to the attorney."

SO here we are a large touring bike Im guessing a GOLDWING with a passenger CAR TIRE going 60 -65 Mph goes into a wobble and then crashes as he tries to slow down SO here it is lets see if we can find out what happened if anyone is badly hurt or worse and what caused the loss of control any thoughts fellas ?

 

[IMFASTTOO]

Hey, pal, I'm not trying to change your mind as that ship sailed from the get go. What I will continue to do is to provide bona fide facts (not opinions or anecdotal "evidence") for any person that inquires about the differences between running CTs vs MTs on this or any other bike. You and some of your fellow "darkside" acolytes are very cavalier at dispensing incorrect and potentially dangerous information to any or all who will swallow said information whole, as if it's the gospel or to the extent of representing car tires on motorcycles as being bulletproof from a safety standpoint, which they absolutely are not.

Frankly, such ill-founded advice could get this board sued someday on the grounds of contributing to a rider's, passenger's or other accident victim's death or dire injury due to catastrophic tire separation, something that is a distinct possibility when you mismatch tires and/or rims that are designed or intended for cars only or motorcycles only due to totally different wheel or tire bead designs. Should that ever happen, trust me, there's a very high probability that this site would cease to exist and some of the individuals here who have posted up erroneous information could find their butts in a sling, too, as contingently liable defendants.

Every single respected expert in all related fields to tire design, engineering and safety attest to the singular point that car tires are not safe to run on motorcycle wheels an, further, that they will significantly impair reaction times in emergency situations and that they will dramatically diminish the overall handling and manuevering of any motorcycle. Can people ride motorcycles on car tires? Sure they can and do. Does that invalidate the facts or point to all true experts on the subject being involved in a conspiracy theory to keep motorcyclists from riding on motorcycle tires? Well, that question is unworthy of a serious answer.

I'm confident that if you look back at my postings on this subject extending back for years, I consistently have acknowledged that this is each individual's choice to make and I really do not care and the end of the day what you or anyone else chooses to put on their motorcycle. I do care that people have sound information on all sides of a topic that they are curious about, especially on a topic that intrinsically involves motorcyle safety, so that they can make informed and, hopefully intelligent decisions for themselves. There's nothing I can do to prevent anyone from making their choice independently - whether it's good, bad or indifferent. So stick a sock in it or abide in other's sound opinions and/or facts, because they will not cease to be presented.

Ride on!

Well here you go PHIL BULL has a bike that crashed with a car tire so lets see what can be found out as the investigation continues