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A little late to the party here but I have a foot in both camps and pretty much have gone 100% EV for cars. I went primarily for performance TBH. I didn't buy a $100k+ EV to worry about saving $50 every time I'd fill it up. I bought it because I could smoke (pun intended) 99.9% of the cars and bikes on the road and still be an excellent daily driver. I bought it because there was no way in h3ll my wife was letting me put the kid on the back of the turbo 'Buse or my H2 and doing some hard pulls. I can expose 4 other friends what it is like to experience the pull of a superbike without worrying about wheelieing over backwards when I hit it hard in the lower gears.
Performance is the primary reason I went EV for cars and bought EV bikes. I also don't have to worry about what tune or fuel I have in it to run low 9 second quarter miles and can easily top 200 mph. It doesn't stall at lights, it doesn't overheat, the AC works great, the seats are comfy and I can refuel at home. It doesn't get much better than this for a daily driver. On a 1500 mile trip, I might spend an extra hour to charge instead of fuel but I just work those in as eating or recycling stops so not much impact overall on my longer trips.
As for EV bikes, my LiveWire has been awesome and much better than my Zeros were. It has been amazingly reliable. Costs about a dollar to go 140 miles in the city. It isn't roasting my balls in the heat and I can typically handle about 5-10F hotter riding temps by not being cooked by the engine. It is incredibly smooth, my hands don't go numb from engine vibes and not much maintenance to do. Again, it is pretty quick, but HD limits the top speed to less than what it is capable of unrestricted. Like most recent EVs, the traction control (TC) is outstanding. Electric motors are much easier to modulate than ICE motors. As with most EVs, all that torque at idle reminds me a lot of the Rocket. EVs are always in the right gear, no need to down shift, just hit it an go which is another plus when dealing with cut and thrust city traffic.
I am still a big ICE fan. I grew up in the day when you saw a transition from 4-stroke MX bikes to 2-stroke and now back to 4-stroke. I loved to sit at the starting line, smelling all the bean oil, and waiting for the gate to drop. I have had 2 strokes 4 strokes, rotary, single cylinders bikes, all manner of twins, triples, fours (inline, square, and V), and 6 cylinder engines, boosted (supercharged & turbo), as well as running ethanol or juiced. It wasn't easy for me to make the change to EVs in so many areas, but for my use cases, nothing really touches them. I'll still keep a 2-stroke and 4-stroke ICE bike around but EVs make a lot of sense for me in the very hot summer climate I seem to have to deal with for 6 months out of the year.
If I were going long distances every day, I might be less inclined to be 100% EV but as battery energy density improves, that is less of an issue. Towing can still be an issue with the impact to EV range but when I use my EVs, they have done remarkably well. Again all that torque off the line is pretty useful. I don't want to see ICE cars and bikes gone but as the charging infrastructure improves, the practical limitations of EVs will be diminished.
Performance is the primary reason I went EV for cars and bought EV bikes. I also don't have to worry about what tune or fuel I have in it to run low 9 second quarter miles and can easily top 200 mph. It doesn't stall at lights, it doesn't overheat, the AC works great, the seats are comfy and I can refuel at home. It doesn't get much better than this for a daily driver. On a 1500 mile trip, I might spend an extra hour to charge instead of fuel but I just work those in as eating or recycling stops so not much impact overall on my longer trips.
As for EV bikes, my LiveWire has been awesome and much better than my Zeros were. It has been amazingly reliable. Costs about a dollar to go 140 miles in the city. It isn't roasting my balls in the heat and I can typically handle about 5-10F hotter riding temps by not being cooked by the engine. It is incredibly smooth, my hands don't go numb from engine vibes and not much maintenance to do. Again, it is pretty quick, but HD limits the top speed to less than what it is capable of unrestricted. Like most recent EVs, the traction control (TC) is outstanding. Electric motors are much easier to modulate than ICE motors. As with most EVs, all that torque at idle reminds me a lot of the Rocket. EVs are always in the right gear, no need to down shift, just hit it an go which is another plus when dealing with cut and thrust city traffic.
I am still a big ICE fan. I grew up in the day when you saw a transition from 4-stroke MX bikes to 2-stroke and now back to 4-stroke. I loved to sit at the starting line, smelling all the bean oil, and waiting for the gate to drop. I have had 2 strokes 4 strokes, rotary, single cylinders bikes, all manner of twins, triples, fours (inline, square, and V), and 6 cylinder engines, boosted (supercharged & turbo), as well as running ethanol or juiced. It wasn't easy for me to make the change to EVs in so many areas, but for my use cases, nothing really touches them. I'll still keep a 2-stroke and 4-stroke ICE bike around but EVs make a lot of sense for me in the very hot summer climate I seem to have to deal with for 6 months out of the year.
If I were going long distances every day, I might be less inclined to be 100% EV but as battery energy density improves, that is less of an issue. Towing can still be an issue with the impact to EV range but when I use my EVs, they have done remarkably well. Again all that torque off the line is pretty useful. I don't want to see ICE cars and bikes gone but as the charging infrastructure improves, the practical limitations of EVs will be diminished.
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I deleted my last post as it came across as one sided in my opinion. I don't care for EV although I like my sons Tesla. It does pull like a freight train and would give my Rocket a run for it's money. It's amazing really. It's everything an ordinary vehicle isn't. A ton of tech stuff that's cool and also can be irritating to me. Pretty much every kid out here has an EV bike or scooter and the rules of the road no longer apply. I can't believe the parents don't relay to the kids to Stop at red lights and stop signs and stay off the sidewalks. I digress. I don't like the fact that it is so hard to travel due to wait time at charging stations. If you own a Tesla you should be okay. If you have a Ford then finding a charger on your way to Los Angeles driving down through the Valley could be tricky. A lot of times there is only one charger so you may wait a lot longer than an hour and that's if it works. Big problems in Cali with 'out of order' chargers and wait times. The wonderful citizens here love to vandalize them also as there is no supervision or security at these charging areas. To each their own and if you enjoy EV's that's cool and I get it. It's not for me...yet that is.
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It can be remotely locked/de-activated etc. All the inside data of car can be enjoyed by Tesla employees, especially the sexy timesI deleted my last post as it came across as one sided in my opinion. I don't care for EV although I like my sons Tesla. It does pull like a freight train and would give my Rocket a run for it's money. It's amazing really. It's everything an ordinary vehicle isn't. A ton of tech stuff that's cool and also can be irritating to me. Pretty much every kid out here has an EV bike or scooter and the rules of the road no longer apply. I can't believe the parents don't relay to the kids to Stop at red lights and stop signs and stay off the sidewalks. I digress. I don't like the fact that it is so hard to travel due to wait time at charging stations. If you own a Tesla you should be okay. If you have a Ford then finding a charger on your way to Los Angeles driving down through the Valley could be tricky. A lot of times there is only one charger so you may wait a lot longer than an hour and that's if it works. Big problems in Cali with 'out of order' chargers and wait times. The wonderful citizens here love to vandalize them also as there is no supervision or security at these charging areas. To each their own and if you enjoy EV's that's cool and I get it. It's not for me...yet that is.
EVs are heavier than Gas cars, so you would need way frequent tire replacement
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Batteries are almost same as price of new car
#isupporthecurrenthing
For anyone going deep in the EV world and wants to do long trips, a great app to have is "A Better Route Planner" aka ABRP. I consider this a must have. It will really help you optimize your stops and for many vehicles it can take real time telemetry data and constantly optimize your charging stops. I can tell it what amount of charge I want at my destination and bias my stops to reduce the total amount of time charging or minimize the number of stops.
It can really help with range anxiety, and you can have it account for things that the car might not. For example, I have set up profiles for added weight towing different loads and even using a bike or roof rack. If traveling long distances, you need to change your mindset and don't top the car off so to speak. The charge curve (the rate it charges) tapers off on my most vehicles once you get over about 50-60% charged. At a low state of charge (SoC), my Tesla will charge at about the rate of adding 1000 miles of range per hour or approximately 16 miles of range for every minute it is plugged in. By the time I am at 80% charge, I may be charging at the rate of about 200 miles or range per hour added or about 3 miles of added range per minute. With my HD I can charge from 0-80% in about 45 minutes but the last 20% will take at least 15 minutes. With my HD and old Zeros, I have to charge it higher to have enough highway range.
With my cars, I just take advantage of the sweet spot of the charge curve and typically charge in the 15-65% range, where I maximize my rate of charge. Blast hard for about 2-3 hours, pit for about 10-15 minutes and back on the road. The car's range isn't my limitation now as much as my bladder is.
On my LiveWire, my knees reach their limit about when I've run out of electrons.
It can really help with range anxiety, and you can have it account for things that the car might not. For example, I have set up profiles for added weight towing different loads and even using a bike or roof rack. If traveling long distances, you need to change your mindset and don't top the car off so to speak. The charge curve (the rate it charges) tapers off on my most vehicles once you get over about 50-60% charged. At a low state of charge (SoC), my Tesla will charge at about the rate of adding 1000 miles of range per hour or approximately 16 miles of range for every minute it is plugged in. By the time I am at 80% charge, I may be charging at the rate of about 200 miles or range per hour added or about 3 miles of added range per minute. With my HD I can charge from 0-80% in about 45 minutes but the last 20% will take at least 15 minutes. With my HD and old Zeros, I have to charge it higher to have enough highway range.
With my cars, I just take advantage of the sweet spot of the charge curve and typically charge in the 15-65% range, where I maximize my rate of charge. Blast hard for about 2-3 hours, pit for about 10-15 minutes and back on the road. The car's range isn't my limitation now as much as my bladder is.
On my LiveWire, my knees reach their limit about when I've run out of electrons.
Someone just needs to come up with better marketing. Maybe a dude with a bunch of Tats going fast with an EV Motorcycle to a bar or the salt flat.
Dr.D
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We should be very alarmed by the invasion of homes and privacy by this type of data gathering. I’ll never have a Tesla.It can be remotely locked/de-activated etc. All the inside data of car can be enjoyed by Tesla employees, especially the sexy times
EVs are heavier than Gas cars, so you would need way frequent tire replacement
Why electric vehicles are impacting the tire industry | Anyline
The increase in electric vehicles on the road is having a significant impact on the tire industry. Find out what it means for the future.
Batteries are almost same as price of new car
#isupporthecurrenthing
I hope you aren't using an Android phone. Also read about some apps that are selling your info to your insurance company as well (both on Apple and Android). A recent one was Gasbuddy as an example and some others.
Car insurance companies secretly collecting driver data with the help of phone apps: report
I would also never use Tesla insurance with a Tesla. What Tesla tracks in the car, like many other car companies do, has always been a concern of mine, but at least I am aware of it.
Car insurance companies secretly collecting driver data with the help of phone apps: report
I would also never use Tesla insurance with a Tesla. What Tesla tracks in the car, like many other car companies do, has always been a concern of mine, but at least I am aware of it.
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