@Wrecka , the 'kids' might need a kick in the pants but from my own experience, and kids being kids, sometimes all they need is a gentle prod from whichever adult they spend most of their time with. I bet if someone had suggested "how about you give your father a call", they would have. Not making excuses for them, but sometimes they can get caught up with not wanting to upset someone else and in so doing wind up appearing insensitive and uncaring. Mightn't be the case. I'm a bit 'glass half full' when it comes to my kids and try to understand how it can be difficult for them. The good news is they'll dgrift back in time.