Darkside/downside

How strange. First the MC tire patrons extoll the virtues of more traction vs darkside.

Now the sentiment is that they are designed slip? Things that make you go hmmm

Not unlike Obama giving the "same" speech one month later.

TP is uncommonly quiet? I know he must be itching.
 

I don't recall saying anything about levels of traction regarding car tires vs motorcycle tires. I simply pointed out how motorcycle tires behave in the extreme. And I'm not trying to comment on the virtues or defeciencies of either type of tire. I'm just asking a question. If for some reason you choose to turn that in to some kind of political reference, well fine, whatever.

But I still wonder, how does a car tire behave at the limits of traction? Does it slide predictably and recover, or does is just let go. I would guess with the power that the Rocket possesses, and the abilities many here claim to possess, someone has surely pushed a car tire hard enough to comment.

Its the same question we ask with tires for our race car. Some types and brands of tire will stick forever and suddenly let go with little warning. Others will slide predictable and can be recovered at will.
 
He's waiting on me to post so he can demonstrate his superior mentality
and use his thesaurus and dictionary once again.
I like my CT tire, that's all that really matters ain't it?
I feel more comfortable on the road in any conditions I've ridden in so far.
I'm willing to take the chance of a sidewall malfunction
vs. the poor grip and tread life of the metz.
ya'll ride safe whatever you ride.
skip
 
That wasn't directed at you GP. Mostly for TP.

You do have some good points for consideration. When I ran a Metzler, infrequently I would get her a tad sideways. The only time I have lost traction on the darkside was when I got my first one and it wasn't "burned in". When I turned the corner after leaving the shop where it was installed I powered up just a little....not very much at all and I thought it was going to "swap ends". Sure got my attention. The new rubber sure was not very tacky for the first few miles. Being I wasn't expecting it and not going very fast, I almost low sided it as the rear tried to scoot out from under me.

Other than that, I have never had a darkside broke loose with the rear hanging out yet. Good question..... I also would be interested in knowing if anybody has that experience with a drkside.
 
GPMAZ said:
Sorry Lupe, just making an observation and asking a question.

I've never tried a car tire, so I can't say whether I'd like it or not.
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GP, that was not directed to you at all, it was directed to the whole car vs mc threads, seems like its all people wants to discuss anymore, you know, there are more important topics, like where do women have the curliest hair?
 
Yeah, the first few miles on new tires can be a bit precarious.

Something we do with our race cars is we scuff the tires. Mount a new set of sticker tires and run 4 or 5 hot laps, just enough to get the tires up to full operating temperature. Then take them off and let them sit overnight. Next day those tires will stick better and last longer than a brand new set. Something about the heating/cooling cycle effect on new rubber.

Sure would be nice to have that option with street tires. Not too practical though.
 

Doesnt happen with the Bridgestone exedra max


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I have a lot more confidence braking in the wet even while leaning and tow ing a 450kg trailer because I might look like I am on the sidewall but it is just technoligy at work the corners of the tyres flaten out under pressure that is why they have the tread running a inch or so up around the corner of the edge of the tyres, we are not useing Crossply tyes which had no thread past the flat part


Macrider said:
Thats funny, does not look like much more than 2 inches in this video..
go to video at 58 seconds. ROADSMART II VIDEO - YouTube
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still more than the 1 inch of a bike tyre while cranked over

the Metz are Crap compond possible designed for reasonable straight line traction but as I found that to is questionable once you get them hot I sincerly beleive they never thought
we would lean them over and acelerate because if you just roll thu the corners they were fine
yes I have under extreme condition gunned it comming of the scraping the pegs and had it start to drift a little but in a controlled manner and as soon as I shifted my body weight over the tyre it resumed prefect grip


mexican said:
I feel ilke im getting light headed with all this going around and aroud and around and around and around and,,,,,,,,,,,
I think we get it, you like car tires, great! And you dont like car tires. Great also, End of discussion
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I couldn't agree More Lupe this discussion is all about opinions if my CT is as unsafe as some would protray then I should have been dead or had several bad accidents by now
the only reason I even reply is so I might enlighten those that don't understand that car tyre techonlogy like bike tyres has imporoved in leaps and bounds since we first started riding back in the Late sixties (in my case)

Geez I just realized I am going to kill myself in my car cos Im running the the same tyres that the Highway patrol car use and after a quick run up the mountain there is scuffing on the sidewalls.... oh no we are all doomed... this is a joke I'm outta here!!
 
you said it all there that is the same reason we don't use the same tyres as MottoGP bikes
 
Right on the money there Buddy as you can read in my other post I doubt you will have to worry about sidewall malfunction..... the problem is some people think we are still using Sixties technology in car tyres, It has been my observation that these days very few people would care what they put on the cars unless they are motor enthusiasts they just go in and get the cheapest deal they can because they drive sedately and get on thier bikes for thier speed fix
 
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