Bad Voltage Regulator ...OR?

If you know, I'd be curious, why Triumph would choose the MOSFET R/R over the series type, particularly given the challenge of working on the stator on the Rocket ?
 
High quality series type is relatively new - the 2014 VStrom DL1000A, is only production bike of which I'm aware that has a Series R/R module
But Triumph not exactly renown for leading edge in that department - in spite of horrendous failures of old school scr r/r on the 675 bikes they ignored fact for several years they already had more reliable solution in the MOSFET R/R employed on the Rocket in house already
 
The Compufire IS a viable alternative - popular with the Harleys ( actually intended as a Harley upgrade)
But the Shindengen SH847 is plug n play with the OEM connectors
Prices comparable between the two
I've tested both and for me the SH847 is the best R/R available, let alone it's connector compatibility & that is what is currently on my bike
Note in my referenced thread on T'Rat I linked earlier there is another Shindengen Series unit that also shares the same connectors - the SH775 that is used on Polaris 4x4's; it will plug in but would not use that one on a Rocket, less sophisticated than the state of art SH847 (& reflected in cost at less than half of that of the SH847)
 
High quality series type is relatively new - the 2014 VStrom DL1000A, is only production bike of which I'm aware that has a Series R/R module
But Triumph not exactly renown for leading edge in that department - in spite of horrendous failures of old school scr r/r on the 675 bikes they ignored fact for several years they already had more reliable solution in the MOSFET R/R employed on the Rocket in house already
Just called our local Suzuki dealer got quoted $420.25 AUD part number 32800-31J00
 
OK - I feel I should add a caution (which I should have done at outset) that this unit has never been tested on a Rocket - but had neither ever been tested on a Daytona (or for that matter any other bike beyond its DL1000A OEM Application) before I installed mine - I was running a Compufire prior to that with no issues personally, although I have seen reported failures of those.
Theoretically a Series unit just makes more sense from a technical perspective with regard to the stator's operation & reliability; unanswered as yet would be long term reliability of the Regulator itself.

For me the added incentive on installing this on a Rocket would be that stator has already shown it is a failure concern; that is then exacerbated by what is required to replace the stator on a Rocket; so if mine, I would want to mitigate that if a potential solution can lower that risk exists and my opinion is the SH847 will do that.

The OEM current loads are virtually identical on a 955 Daytona (or 955 or 1050 Speed Triple) compared to a Rocket (there is nothing OEM on an R3 that draws any more current than those other models); the R3 generator however does have more upside capacity with 37A available at 2K rpm, 41A at 6K, with the Daytona at 35A max (rpm not spec'd) That means the R3 has more upside capacity for accessory loads (extra lights etc)
Note however that with a 'std' bike running current load of say 18-20A, with the OEM shunt module, it is still pulling that max (up to 41A) out of the stator; changing the load (adding more lights etc) does not make the stator produce any more current, it simply passes more to the load and less through the shunt - but the stator current remains essentially the same.

Now let's compare this aspect of both bikes again - even with the same std load (no accessories) the R3 is having to generate more power than the Daytona stator EVEN THOUGH THE DELIVERED POWER TO THE BIKE IS THE SAME!! Therefor the R3 Stator is running hotter than the Daytona stator.
So what does that bigger capacity generator buy you? Absolutely nothing, because you are only using about half of it's generated power, with the other half being expended in the R/R

Now - with the Series R/R in both bikes, the generated current is going to be virtually identical; however there is more mass in the R3 stator, so it in fact will probably run relatively cooler than its counterpart (simplistic - a lot also depends on how much active cooling is being done by the oil). Now if additional loads are added, the respective generators will step and supply whatever extra current is demanded to the limit of its capability, with the R3 capable of slightly more.

Here's another interesting fact for you - since the stator is running at lower current, it actually consumes less HP!!! Yes, Really!
Here's another twist on that - turn off the headlights on the Shunt system - what does that do to the generated current? Nothing - the shunt takes that current in its place.
So it makes no difference either to the consumed engine HP in making that electrical power.
Now take the same scenario with the Series unit - you will cut the generated current from around 18A-20A, to 8-10A by turning off the lights - that will consume LESS generated HP from the engine.
:D

Here are some thermograph images provided by one user that illustrate the difference it makes with a Shunt vs Series R/R
- this is on an Aprilia and the Series R/R is a Compufire (but the difference would be same with any Series type)

IR_Lima_Deckel_original_Spannungsregler.jpg


IR_Lima_Deckel_Compu-Fire.jpg
 
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Just called our local Suzuki dealer got quoted $420.25 AUD part number 32800-31J00

So did I!!

That American supplier works out under AUD300 landed here, but they supply USA only. They say that it's a restriction imposed by Suzuki ... I imagine to protect their rip-off of overseas buyers....tried various Suzuki dealers and/or suppliers with the same outcome.
 
@DEcosse as all things 'lectrical are not my specialty I need a little clarification...just to be clear the Shindengen SH847 is the recommended upgrade?
 
Yes, R3Tex

I think before a number of people all jump on this at once, it would good if someone with a Rocket did an evaluation, both for the mechanical fitment requirements and performance. Obviously long term would be ideal, but someone who puts lots of miles on in Road trips would be good 'beta' tester for the community. (some may think is worthwhile as a low risk anyway)

The OEM Suzuki Part Number is 32800-31J00

Here's pretty good price - Parts Finder Metric Parts Outlet | Yamaha, Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki USA, AR Contact Via Email
$147 plus $17 shipping
(have never done business with them so can't make any judgment other than price)

Bike Bandit is $165 but their shipping is free for order >$99
And if you are AMA member you can take -10% off that. (but in CA at least, they will charge you CA State Tax - to other States, I don't know about)
So you could be looking at ~ $150
Shop around and especially if you have a 'friendly' multi-bike dealer local shop with a parts discount hook-up.
(I know that one Oz member from Sydney, on the T-Rat forum, ordered this from BB in US and had it in 4 days!)

As mentioned previously, the SH847 will plug directly into the OEM connectors, they are identical to the OEM R/R
The module is slightly bigger (in all three dimensions) - but I don't believe it should be much of a challenge to make it fit, at least looking at pics of the OEM mounting location.

I can get you absolute dimensions later (it's a bit of a pain to access on my bike - need to remove the tail and tank to get to it) but here is relative size vs OEM
(note the comparison R/R is actually an FH020 model, but this is physically identical to the OEM FH012 R/R)

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SH847vsFH012_2.jpg


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