TuneECU .... free tuning software

[dougl]

A good question for the manufacturer. Do they even sell a GiPro for the Roadster?

 

[HansO]

HellFire
I am only leaving the standard mufflers because I am an aged care nurse and do the night shift so rocking up to work at 23.00 hrs on a noisy bike would not go down to well, Yes I am going the triple 2780's and you actulily answered the question better than I asked it when you said--
"For someone who just wants to leave everything stock and eliminate the timing retard in 1st-3rd,"
I was curious as to whether Triumph had retarded the timing as well as closeing the secondarys in the first three gears and it appears by your answer that to be the case so the GiPro would actully compliment the removal of the secondarys do I understand you correctly. Thank You very much for such a concise answer.
Cheers
Hans:bch:

 

[HellFire]

HellFire
the GiPro would actully compliment the removal of the secondarys do I understand you correctly. Thank You very much for such a concise answer.
Cheers
Hans:bch:

Yes, pulling them out makes the throttle response much snappier with less delay. Someone once complained that now his was "too" responsive and reacted to every twitch of his wrist, .... I kinda thought that was the point.
Guys who have done this inexpensive mod, including myself, have said that it's the biggest bang for the buck possible on a near stock/stock R3. Having the gear indicator was enough by itself to warrant me buying one, I was always looking for 6th gear at bad times. The ATRE (Advanced Timing Retard Eliminator) was an interesting feature that put the GiPro top of the list in my choices. Of course after I got it all hooked up and started playing with the settings, the new found performance was wonderful. I got on the website and had to tell everyone about it since I was really excited about how it worked, thats were guys suggested the secondaries should come out too. I wanted to do the triples anyway, so while I put those on I took out the secondaries at the same time. It was like a different bike after that ... scary and fun at the same time. The hardest part about removing the plates was getting the air plenum off the bike, since it was going away as part of the triple K&N mod anyway, the plates are nothing.
I suggest you use the search box and look up "K&N triple filter mod", "removing throttle plates", "GiPro install" etc.... and related threads. some will have very useful pictures and help with the tricky parts.
My only other important suggestion is that you not under any circumstances change the factory Triumph tune to any other software by Triumph , their tunes are a waste of money & wouldn't work without the throttle plates much anyway. After you do all the stuff you talked about, later on you can think about having a PCIII and DynoJet tune done to tweek that last bit of power out of her with the stock pipes.
Also, while you are putting in the Y-pipe to replace the cat-box, I suggest you use a high temp exhaust connection sealer (tube or putty) on all the slip-on joints to reduce the possibility of deceleration popping (back-fire). The joints don't seal well and suck fresh air while decelerating causing the exhaust gasses to re-ignite in the mufflers. It's mostly just annoying but can cause the packing to come appart over time. If I can help, just ask.

 

[HellFire]

I guess I just have two concerns ... with the secondary throttle plates ... how hard is that? I'm no wiz at taking my bike apart. I should look to see if someone's written up a guide.
With the GiPro, my bike is a 2010 Roadster, which has a gear indicator in the instrument cluster. Since this GiPro in theory fools the ECU that it's in a higher gear, I would think it would render that gear indicator instrument worthless. Or cause other issues even?

Thats a good question, Doug is right about asking Healtech that question. The Roadster indeed does still have the power reduction in the low gears, but I don't know how the factory indicator would be affected with one installed. Triumph might have just made the easy process alot more tricky to do, a resistor mod wouldn't work in this case either. Doug can you do it with a tuneboy even though that would be like killing a fly with a bazooka? LOL That's alot of moola just to restore the retarded timing.

 

[nox273]

I don't think the Gipro will work all that well with the roadster as it has a different level of restriction in all gears at different revs compared to the standard and classic versions.

User Matty posted the specs on here after having his bike with Tuneboy for a couple of days and Wayne pinpointed the restriction.

http://www.r3owners.net/rocket-iii-roadster/7304-some-numbers-roadster.html

 

[HellFire]

I don't think the Gipro will work all that well with the roadster as it has a different level of restriction in all gears at different revs compared to the standard and classic versions.

User Matty posted the specs on here after having his bike with Tuneboy for a couple of days and Wayne pinpointed the restriction.

http://www.r3owners.net/rocket-iii-roadster/7304-some-numbers-roadster.html

It probably wouldn't work the way it was intended .....
Those findings were focusing on everything but what the GiPro is designed to do, which is to eliminate the programmed differences in ignition timing by tricking the ECM to believe it's in a gear with more favorable timing settings. Since there is no reference to anything but secondary throttle plate positions in Waynes theory from above, we don't know whats going on with timing and fuel trim. The post mentioned that Wayne was supposed to collect further data while on the dyno later that day, but nothing was posted as follow-up. I was very interested in finding out more on what was going on in that little ECM brain to enable Triumph to boast stronger numbers without actually changing anything substantial. Seems to me that the software geeks managed it by splitting up the engines workload to focus on its strengths and then cherry picked the numbers to post from different pulls under different loads and conditions. The answer triumph gave the bike rags when asked how they got more power didn't make much sense either, "We changed the exhaust" and nobody further pushed the topic in the magazines that originally asked the question. Since "companies don't lie" I guess there wasn't any reason to doubt them?
If this was any other one of the top power bikes, someone would have already put them side-by-side, old vs. new, dyno'd them and disected them in a lab to find out why the differece. "Inquiring minds want to know!", Instead, at this point .... they replaced the exhaust.
I think it's an advertising "shell-game" ... it's working too .... I still want one.

 

[jaredmt]

From what I gather, the primary exhaust change was moving from a single cat to putting a cat in each of the two pipes, thus each cat doesn't have as much exhaust to deal with ... though I don't know if that can fully account for the power difference.

The GiPro guys aren't sure on the Roadster. They've offered me 50% off if I want to try it, test it, document it. I'm tempted, but also worried about hurting the bike. Thoughts?

 

[HellFire]

****, take the deal .... It's just a plug in device, it goes inline with the gear position sender and to the battery. The only thing I can see going wrong is that it 1) doesnt work, 2) causes the stock gear indicator to not display any gear but what the bike is tricked into thinking (which is great 'cause now you know what it's thinking) and now you have a bigger indicator for the gear your in and a small one for the setting from the Pro. 3) works great, bike goes faster, everyone dances in the street.
Can't see anything else happening based on where it all plugs into the bike. It has no dirrect contact with the ECM other than simulating the gear position with variable resistance. What's half price ? $75? ... man, if it just gives you the punch in 1st gear alone it's worth that much.
Go for it, it'll make you famous!

 

[jaredmt]

hehe ... thanks, it was the ECU I was mostly worried about, but if it's just an inline unit like that w/ no such ECU interaction, you're right, shouldn't be a big thing.
Sorry for the n00b'ness ... I've had my Roadster for but one week (had an '05 RIII a few years ago .. died in a wreck), so I'm still catching up on RIII goodness.

 

[HellFire]

Then you might already be familiar with the location of the gear position sensor at the bottom left rear of the engine. It's that harness it plugs into, if they haven't changed any, there shouldn't be a problem with the install. The Touring bikes have always had a different style plug with an extra wire, there is always the possibility that the 2010's could have that style due to the factory gear indicator. There is a procedure for that style as well as the standard so you should be well covered.