TunECU 2.5.5 backup does not succeed……..

[Flying Finn R3]

Hi,
I need good advice for R3 06/2004 California model?

I tried to make a backup copy, but does not want to read map from ECU, says “UNKNOWN Map type”

TunECU Would otherwise works fine. I had cable connected to the TPS incorrectly and I fixed switching and I Erase Error Code and Acknowledgement successfully. Yes, so it reads the map from bike.

Why it

not let make a backup from ECU???

Attached a few pictures of TunECU process.

 

[warp9.9]

Send a e-mail to Tom maybe ther is a glitch in the new version they are not aware of. I serched thru all my old tune files and cannot find the one your running. I wonder if it was one of the bad maps Triumph had a recall on. Either way if she is running now I would contact them before trying to down load anything into it. I do wonder if one of the older versions would back up the ecu. that would be a good way to see if there is a problem with the newest version.

 

[unforgiven]

hey guys. I have a big issue with the tune boy file for my R3 supercharged fat lady. Normally the revs limiter was coming in at 7000 rpm but after installing only the Powercommander V device suddenly the revs limiter is coming in each time at 6250 ( testing on the Dyno in 4 gear and once in 3 (!)) at 60% throttle.More throttle and the limiter is coming in.
Till now I did check many trouble shooting possibilities at the bike : the aftermarket bigger fuelpump + fuelpressure, the Sytec fuelregulator, the bigger injectors injectors,uninstall the PCD and back again, resetting the ECU, etc.
Problem is also I didn't get any respons at my email from Tuneboy AU and... the Tuneboy black box has been deceased and I can't find anywhere till now a new one.
Who can and will give me some advice ?
Tnx !
( a Dutchman)

 

[Flying Finn R3]

Send a e-mail to Tom maybe ther is a glitch in the new version they are not aware of. I serched thru all my old tune files and cannot find the one your running. I wonder if it was one of the bad maps Triumph had a recall on. Either way if she is running now I would contact them before trying to down load anything into it. I do wonder if one of the older versions would back up the ecu. that would be a good way to see if there is a problem with the newest version.

yep, purpose was to make a backup, nothing more, and she is otherwise well. I send e-mail to Tom on this issue........

ThanX to you warp9.9....

 

[warp9.9]

Ok dutchman did you added larger injectors and a higher pressure regulator on top of a bigger fuel pump? If so and the injectors are larger then the ones supplied with the TTS unit I must ask why? Just curious as I run a Walbro 342 pump and the standard Siemens injectors that come with the TTS kit along with tune boy and have no fueling issues clear up to 9000 rpms. Have you looked at your tune boy map just in case you reloaded the wrong one and the rev limiter is set lower? Just asking as the normal tune boy maps will not raise the rev limiter to 7000. Not that it can not be done but if it is lowered it will not go back up. There is only one way to set the limiter above what the software will alow.
So I must ask with if the injectors are larger then the TTS ones and the fuel pressure is higher are you sure your not just going fat rich and she is falling on her face?
another note I remember some of the early PCV software was corrupted did you buy your unit from Power commander or just off some site in which it could have been on the shelf for eons?
You should be able to tune the bugger without PCV unless your tuner does not know tune edit software which you will run into.
Also be carfull as if you detonate or back fire real good you can release the cam blade tensioner and loose the valve timing. If this happens to much you will pound the valves and then your in for a lot of work.

 

[unforgiven]

Ok dutchman did you added larger injectors and a higher pressure regulator on top of a bigger fuel pump? If so and the injectors are larger then the ones supplied with the TTS unit I must ask why? Just curious as I run a Walbro 342 pump and the standard Siemens injectors that come with the TTS kit along with tune boy and have no fueling issues clear up to 9000 rpms. Have you looked at your tune boy map just in case you reloaded the wrong one and the rev limiter is set lower? Just asking as the normal tune boy maps will not raise the rev limiter to 7000. Not that it can not be done but if it is lowered it will not go back up. There is only one way to set the limiter above what the software will alow.
So I must ask with if the injectors are larger then the TTS ones and the fuel pressure is higher are you sure your not just going fat rich and she is falling on her face?
another note I remember some of the early PCV software was corrupted did you buy your unit from Power commander or just off some site in which it could have been on the shelf for eons?
You should be able to tune the bugger without PCV unless your tuner does not know tune edit software which you will run into.
Also be carfull as if you detonate or back fire real good you can release the cam blade tensioner and loose the valve timing. If this happens to much you will pound the valves and then your in for a lot of work.

Warp, thank you for your quick respons. The bike( model R3 2004, not the Classic or Touring) was running ok before installing an original PC 5 (the PC5 for R3 Touring '09-'11 was ok for model 2004 so a well known shop- Dynojet.com- told me.) After installing , some fine adjustments on the Dyno just had to be made after also bringing back in line crank-chargerpulley ( progressing in time,the TTS old chargerbracket was bending forwards , causing a slipping belt and loosing boost pressure...). I also did uninstall the PC again and installed it again but no way.
So I did change the TTS Siemens injectors for bigger Siemens ones, to be on the more save side ( + 20 psi boost and higher ratio comp. forged pistons, camshafts) and added a bigger 'reddish' fuelpump from TTS .
Before the PC installing/re-lining the pulleys, the bike was running ok with those fixings for about a year on the Tuneboyfiles ( incl. altered ignition and rev limiter)
For as I know about the PC principle, this model PCdevice can't change the Tuneboy(rev limiter) file in the ECU, the PC only change the outcoming fuelsignal of the ECU. Just correct me if I'm wrong about that.
Reading now the Dyno graphs, the AFR is ok till 6250rpm, about 10/11 and then , when the limiter is suddenly coming in at 6250(60% throttle), also the AFRline is getting airborne shortly after the limiter. So, no fuelproblem I think. As I did mention too, the 'black Tuneboybox'( = instead the former Tuneboycable) was deceased so I didn' t get into the ECU flashed/programmed Tuneboyfiles. If I know on this earth a new one, I think I come closer to the revlimiter problem.

 

[warp9.9]

Warp, thank you for your quick respons. The bike( model R3 2004, not the Classic or Touring) was running ok before installing an original PC 5 (the PC5 for R3 Touring '09-'11 was ok for model 2004 so a well known shop- Dynojet.com- told me.) After installing , some fine adjustments on the Dyno just had to be made after also bringing back in line crank-chargerpulley ( progressing in time,the TTS old chargerbracket was bending forwards , causing a slipping belt and loosing boost pressure...). I also did uninstall the PC again and installed it again but no way.
So I did change the TTS Siemens injectors for bigger Siemens ones, to be on the more save side ( + 20 psi boost and higher ratio comp. forged pistons, camshafts) and added a bigger 'reddish' fuelpump from TTS .
Before the PC installing/re-lining the pulleys, the bike was running ok with those fixings for about a year on the Tuneboyfiles ( incl. altered ignition and rev limiter)
For as I know about the PC principle, this model PCdevice can't change the Tuneboy(rev limiter) file in the ECU, the PC only change the outcoming fuelsignal of the ECU. Just correct me if I'm wrong about that.
Reading now the Dyno graphs, the AFR is ok till 6250rpm, about 10/11 and then , when the limiter is suddenly coming in at 6250(60% throttle), also the AFRline is getting airborne shortly after the limiter. So, no fuelproblem I think. As I did mention too, the 'black Tuneboybox'( = instead the former Tuneboycable) was deceased so I didn' t get into the ECU flashed/programmed Tuneboyfiles. If I know on this earth a new one, I think I come closer to the revlimiter problem.

I am off to church right now but I will read this again. my first read is that if you have a standard 04 you have to order the PCV for the 09 rocket standard or classic not the touring as they are different in many ways. I will read again and post when I get back from church.

Ok I am back and if I read your post right your at about 10:1 to 11:1 fuel ratio at 6250. If so this is pretty darn rich in which the bike might be falling on its face. Your at about 86,000 rpms on the blower if she is not slipping. but with the larger injectors and the fuel rating with the boost your at its still way rich which might be what your feeling as it is nosing over like hitting the rev limiter. Do you have a Boost gauge on her and if so whats she reading? at 86,000 rpms your boost level better be above 10 psi at least if not more maybe even close to 15 psi.
I do not think you need the larger injectors which I am guessing are the 750 siemens but hey if they are to large it does not mean you cannot pull fuel away from them.
Myself I am running 11.8:1 compression pistons whith soem hefty cams .443"lift on the intake and .425" on the exhaust and have no problems with the seimens injectors that came with the kit. No PCV unit just a tune boy 9000 rpm map. My pulley is larger on the supercharger but only so I hit the blower speeds all the way thru instead of over speeding the blower. I spind it up to 91343 rpms at max engine revs.

Just a thought since you have been messing around with it when is th elast time you checked the low tension leads on the coils. They get loose and need to be recrimped with a pair of needle nose pliers. If they are vibrating at that rpm you could be getting a erratic spark which could make her rich I would chack them to make sure.

 

[Flying Finn R3]

yep, I got a quick answer from Tom

"The 20042 is a very old map, so it’s not in the TuneECU database, your bike was never remapped, it’s better to remap it with a recent tune, you don’t need to save the old"

 

[unforgiven]

Warp, thank you for your quick respons. The bike( model R3 2004, not the Classic or Touring) was running ok before installing an original PC 5 (the PC5 for R3 Touring '09-'11 was ok for model 2004 so a well known shop- Dynojet.com- told me.) After installing , some fine adjustments on the Dyno just had to be made after also bringing back in line crank-chargerpulley ( progressing in time,the TTS old chargerbracket was bending forwards , causing a slipping belt and loosing boost pressure...). I also did uninstall the PC again and installed it again but no way.
So I did change the TTS Siemens injectors for bigger Siemens ones, to be on the more save side ( + 20 psi boost and higher ratio comp. forged pistons, camshafts) and added a bigger 'reddish' fuelpump from TTS .
Before the PC installing/re-lining the pulleys, the bike was running ok with those fixings for about a year on the Tuneboyfiles ( incl. altered ignition and rev limiter)
For as I know about the PC principle, this model PCdevice can't change the Tuneboy(rev limiter) file in the ECU, the PC only change the outcoming fuelsignal of the ECU. Just correct me if I'm wrong about that.
Reading now the Dyno graphs, the AFR is ok till 6250rpm, about 10/11 and then , when the limiter is suddenly coming in at 6250(60% throttle), also the AFRline is getting airborne shortly after the limiter. So, no fuelproblem I think. As I did mention too, the 'black Tuneboybox'( = instead the former Tuneboycable) was deceased so I didn' t get into the ECU flashed/programmed Tuneboyfiles. If I know on this earth a new one, I think I come closer to the revlimiter problem.

My injectors are Siemens Deka 80 lbs and they did/do function ok all the time. As I mentioned before, the boost pressure was before about 20.0 psi at 7000 revs and AFR 11.0 was ok at those revs, better 10. Also 20.0 in the plenum/boost gauge and the bike is running with forged pistons 9.2 ratio.Chargerpulley is also bigger then the TTSkit. What max engine revs and boostpressure are you running with your 11.8 pistons ??
The coillead connections are ok but I will check the iridium sparkplugs (.) By the way, does the R3 also cutting off the fuel at the same time the limiter is coming in ? I wonder.
The messing around was after the Tuneboy 'blackbox 'device had his melt down so there was no reading the Tuneboyfiles anymore.

 

[Flying Finn R3]

yep, I got a quick answer from Tom

"The 20042 is a very old map, so it’s not in the TuneECU database, your bike was never remapped, it’s better to remap it with a recent tune, you don’t need to save the old"

ECU map upgraded, everything works fine TunECU software it is excellent and easy to use..........