Triumph Quit Ignoring Your Ignition Problems

The driving lights using the factory installation kit (and most, if not all, US Touring models come already equipped with them) do not pull that current through the key-switch, but have their own relay (you can find that relay located under the tank, right behind the steering head - it is not located with the other relays behind the side panel)

There are lots of threads and info on LED options on the site - from the superlative JW Speaker Lamp Modules to lower-cost Chinese items and simply 'bulb' replacements.
 


Thanks again, DEcosse. You've been a big help.

It's funny but I had sent a question about this to Triumph USA to get clarification and the response I got denied that they had any knowledge of every having any ignition switch problems. I'll assume that the person who responded just didn't know about the problem because they've been forthright and helpful with a couple questions I had when I bought the bike. On the other hand, it was obvious that the person who responded to my question didn't actually read it based on their answer.
 
... the response I got denied that they had any knowledge of every having any ignition switch problems .....
Of course they WILL deny this
- to recognize it (publicly) means they would have to have a remedial plan.
But they most certainly KNOW about it and IMO there is irrefutable evidence that they knew:
- when the Roadster was first introduced, the power scheme for the headlights/key-switch was essentially identical to the Std/Classic; however they subsequently introduced a recall retrofit to those first-year Roadster models to have a relay installed to divert the headlight current out of the key-switch, by-passing it. And the change was permanently incorporated into Production models. So they cannot possibly suggest they simply re-thought their scheme there, that it was 'just a good idea'.
What is disappointing is that the same retrofit COULD have been extended to the Std/Classics - but it was NOT!




The Headlight Power circuit for the various models is shown above:
The scheme for the Std/Classic (AND indeed the Touring) is the same as the '2010' Roadster - Fuse 9 gets its current via the key-switch and therefor all the current for the headlights is supplied via the key-switch.
(the difference for the Touring is that it only powers a single headlight so the current is lower.)

The recall retrofit, adds a new relay (this is a dealer executed recall retro) and the current for the headlights now is no longer is sourced via the key-switch, but from an auxiliary fuse connected directly to the battery.

The bottom scheme for production bikes for 2011 is similar (subtle difference) - Fuse 5 comes from constant power in the OEM Fuse Panel, so no external fused supply is required; Fuse 8 comes via the key-switch but is now only providing low current.

The subtle difference between the recall retro and the later production incorporation is to do with the starter solenoid current: the starter solenoid actually draws about 9A!
When the starter is operated, the relay redirects current from the headlights to the starter (this is so that the headlights are turned off during starting process to remove that load for improved starting);
In the std, early Roadster AND recall version, that solenoid current comes through the key-switch;
On the 'late model' with factory wiring, the starter solenoid current does not come through the key-switch, but also from the constant power Fuse 5.
Now - the starter current is only of short duration and relatively infrequent use compared to the headlights; but the latest scheme is 'better' because it removes even that short duration load from the key-switch completely. (I have actually provided details elsewhere of how the retrofit could have just as easily mirrored the production scheme EXACTLY)

Back to your Touring:
As stated above, that scheme mirrors the Std/Classic and 'early' Roadster; so both the headlight current AND the Solenoid current have to be supplied via the key-switch;
but the important differentiation is that
a) the headlight current is significantly less - only one lamp
b) (not a differentiation but a clarification) the solenoid current is of infrequent application and of limited duration.

So that is essentially why the Touring Key-Switches don't exhibit failure compared to the high-rate failure of the classics.
Note that I would personally not classify the Touring scheme as a 'problem' so IMO not fiar to expect Triumph to accept any liability or provide any assistance on those models
However you can, if you want to improve the reliability further, employ one of the ideas proposed previously i.e. LED headlight, or the relay bypass I linked (which is essentially the same as the Roadster mod)
The relay just diverts the current; the LED will offer significant lighting improvement. The ultimate there would be the JW Speaker 8790 Adaptive - not inexpensive however at ~ $800!! The non-adaptive 8700 version is a much better value at ~ $250. (Chinese copies from about $60)
 
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I want to encourage all of you to be the biggest PITA to Triumph management that you can be. In my 16 years of riding the Yamaha Roadstar, vocal activist owners like you guys pressed the issue with Yamaha and after a year of constant denials, they capitulated (due to the NHTSA involvement) and finally issued a recall. Yours is a simple matter compared to Yamaha's tranny problem. Triumph ought to step up!
 
My ignition went in and out for about a year.....started at around 30k miles.......
The thing would be dead......but 10-20 minutes later it would start......

Dealer replaced the ignition...think it was $600 US or so......was not happy about
hearing it was a common (and ignored) problem.......
 
Thanks so much for that most excellent tutorial. I'm going to implement both solutions. I have an Eastern Beaver headlight relay and a an LED H4 replacement bulb. Just have to install them.

You know but it is not just Triumph. I have a VStrom and starter switch failure is also an issue on those forums. The headlight relay seems to be the recommended solution too.
 
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A lot of folks seem to be upset with the short comings of the Rocket. Ten years plus in the production line and can say have no complaints about the Rocket X. 38,000 miles and not even a hiccup. Just normal wear and tear. My dad who has never rode a bike asked me the first time he saw the Rocket X was "How you going to top that? He has watched me since we were 17 years old ride bikes as a means of transportation. He knows nothing about bikes but was very impressed with the Rocket. I still almost three years later have no idea how to answer his question. Don't think it can be done.
 
Howdy Boys and Girls,

I love this community!

If I have to remove my gas tank and or clam shell to resolve my no cooling fan problem, I have the EB wire harness bookmarked and ready to order. I did notice that my instrument lights would flicker and tach not sweep, jiggle the key and it would start. I take this as a symptom of my ignition switch failing. So, the EB wires provide power and not the switch, I completed this same job on my 94 bronco any members with older cars or trucks take note that this problem exists in say mid 90 vehicles.

My questions,

Order replacement Triump ign switch
Read a post about using a Harley switch, which switch (sorry)

And does this mean that two keys required, ign and seat lock?

Thanks

Tom