Unfortunately my Harley riding friends don't venture out of the "little Harley dome of their world" either. They tried for awhile to possibly beat the Boss Hoss either from a stop or at some point while riding from a moving start. They found out that was futile so they quickly stopped that and just rightfully chalked it up to the total unfairness of the situation. Then I got the Rocket and once again the same fast for Harley guys tried the same thing but also with the same results. Then they started asking questions. They were amazed to find out it was 140 cu inches stock. They were amazed it had twice the torque and way more horsepower than eventhe biggest CVO Harley had and they were stock. I told them about the Carpenter kit for less money than many of them have trying to add a few cu inches and the 200 plus horsepower those bikes have. Once again they were amazed. I told them the stock bike price, more amazement. How many bought one or want to buy one so far, zero, now it was my turn to be AMAZED.