Tomcat,you maybe right on all of what your saying,ive no doubt but I do not have any extra cash to throw away.I know that there is going to be more parts I have to buy besides the ones that Hellfire was going to sell me. Ive saved 3years on a part time job and bought a VTX1800c of which I traded in on the new 2012 R3R and cash besides what I owe still on it. Im now without any part time work and I live on $527 a month SS of which I am repaying the state at 10 bucks a month for them over paying me in 07,that leaves me $517 a month to live on.I sold some add ons off my VTX so i have some cash to get some extras Id hoped for on the R3R,thats not possible now as I have to be able to ride it first before the extra luxurys.I understand this is immaterial to every one here but Im the guy that puts food on my table and I have very limited funds to do so.,,,,$2.20 buys me two prescriptions if that means anything to anyone. ,,It will have to be done my way or I won't do it.I have to know up front,Exactly what its going to cost.I tried that getting shp info from hellfire,bottom line was by him it will be what it is when he takes it there,thats not going to work for me so i told him to take it to his PO and get the exact charges. If thats out of line,Im sorry,but its gonna have to be out of line and Ill do w/o till I find someone that will comply. Thanks for you input though,its just I don't have the cash for maybes. Have a good day my friend.