Pay attention!!!!!!!

[skydog1000]

Thanks for the video.

 

[TriumPhil]

Man all of this about M/C crashes and I just got this info regarding a guy I used to work with and his wife. Apparently they were riding two up and were involved in a crash near Flagstaff, AZ. No details known at this time.

"Howard suffered a broken neck, broken ribs, lacerated liver, punctured lung
and his shoulder has to be rebuilt. Linda has a few broken bones and some
blood on the brain but is expected to recover soon. His family has arrived"

WOW! Makes me wonder why we ride some times!

You must be kidding, right? Shyte happens, 'specially on two wheels.

 

[TriumPhil]

I beg to differ regarding the experience of this rider, getting spooked by the apparent peg grinding tells me he did not know what it is like when this happened (ABC of riding curves) obviously if his reaction was to reduce the lean angle which is in this instance the wrongest thing to do meant he never knew what to do in an apex or any position in a curve .and his instinct took over with the results we have seen freezing up and just plowing straight ahead in the obstacle .
had he done riding many curves in a safe environment and check all the possible way to regain his line from various situations arising near or at an apex he would not be in an hospital bed by now
when I learned to ride part of the learning process was to stay upright in different situation like riding over fallen debris from trucks (pipes, log etc), negociate curves in situation such as avoiding minor obstacles on the riding line rough and broken asphalt, loose gravel etc etc .I am not saying that what should be done with every potential riders through bike courses but some basics should be mandated .

Either one of us could be right, Duke.

I witnessed a virtually identical accident with a new guy I rode with in a small group just the one time about 7-8 years ago. After he nearly killed himself, I learned from our mutual friend (an extremely proficient rider) that the same hapless guy had ruined two sport bikes on a closed course track racing circuit and school, simply by freaking out and pulling the bikes upright and out of the apex of the curves when he started to drag pegs. Psychologically, even though he knew better, he just couldn't help himself. Very odd, especially since the fella' had 30+ years of saddle time on dozens of different bikes????

Having just seen the pixelated version of those still shots, he clearly was not paying attention and he was carrying way to much speed into that curve. Nevertheless, the right thing to do would have him keep the bike in the lean and perform a controlled lowside. So after all, I must agree with others here, the guy was a maroon!!!

 

[muleskinner]

You must be kidding, right? Shyte happens, 'specially on two wheels.

No I'm not kidding. S*** happens but I don't want to happen to me! I don't do pain well. And I'm the one that got my wife into riding a bike. I would not want to see her crash and get seriously injured or killed because I got her into riding a bike. As she only rides with me, I don't want to watch it happen!

I'm not saying I'm going to quit riding, I'm just saying all these crashes start me thinking. Like I've always said, the day I get a knot in my gut when I get on my bike, that will be the day I quit riding and sell it!

 

[ruzzle]

........... the guy was a maroon!!!

Naaah, Phil, his bike was black. If it had been red, it woulda been faster thru the corner & he woulda been OK......................

 

[mexican]

Man all of this about M/C crashes and I just got this info regarding a guy I used to work with and his wife. Apparently they were riding two up and were involved in a crash near Flagstaff, AZ. No details known at this time.

"Howard suffered a broken neck, broken ribs, lacerated liver, punctured lung
and his shoulder has to be rebuilt. Linda has a few broken bones and some
blood on the brain but is expected to recover soon. His family has arrived"

WOW! Makes me wonder why we ride some times!

Skinner, this is the best way i can describe it';
The way i see it, there are people out there that like a lot of things, they never get them because of the risk factor.
My own sister is a prime exemple, she loves motorcycles but she is scare to death of falling off of one, when i bought the ninja250 for my son at 15 she told me; "I would never forgive myself if i bought a motorcycle to my kid and he gets hurt"
Then when he went into boxing she said, "What if he ends up dead in the ring from a head hit like a lot of boxers"!!
I told her that i would not stop my son from doing what he loves, it is a risk and he knows it, i said, if he dies in the ring or riding his motorcycle, he will die doing what he loves;
And i really belive that, that is why i took my son, my wife and myself to an MSF course, also i share the little knowledge that i gathered in my almost 30 years of riding experience, so far so good

 

[muleskinner]

Skinner, this is the best way i can describe it';
The way i see it, there are people out there that like a lot of things, they never get them because of the risk factor.
My own sister is a prime exemple, she loves motorcycles but she is scare to death of falling off of one, when i bought the ninja250 for my son at 15 she told me; "I would never forgive myself if i bought a motorcycle to my kid and he gets hurt"
Then when he went into boxing she said, "What if he ends up dead in the ring from a head hit like a lot of boxers"!!
I told her that i would not stop my son from doing what he loves, it is a risk and he knows it, i said, if he dies in the ring or riding his motorcycle, he will die doing what he loves;
And i really belive that, that is why i took my son, my wife and myself to an MSF course, also i share the little knowledge that i gathered in my almost 30 years of riding experience, so far so good

I know Lupe. I have always said, if I get into a bad crash that will permanently screw me up, I hope I die in the crash. I will have died doing what I liked. I don't want to be confined to a wheel chair, drooling into a spit cup the rest of my life.

I guess riding a bike is like cheating death. That's the rush some of us get when we ride. I am a FAST rider. Not in the twisties, but in a straight line and out on the road. It's rare I'm under 85MPH on the open road or a freeway. I sold my ZX12R, as I knew I would end up killing myself on it. I'm a horse power junkie. The faster the better!

 

[joey fletcher]

The Dragon

I can not tell you how many times I have ran the Dragon. Until you ride the Dragon it is hard to believe just how twisty it is. I know the dragon so well I know where the harley ran off the road. I could not spot where the crash into the vette was.

The Dragon has 318 turns in 11 miles, I have ran the dragon with my Rocket 3, my K1200 LT BMW and my sons 2005 SE V-Rod and had a ball on each of these bikes. I have also been up there in a car

A nice drive in a ...say SUV... with 2 couples. There average speed on the dragon would be about....25 mph at best from beginning to end. If you were to try to agerage 35 to 40 mph if possible the wifes would have beaten you to death before you got 1/4 the way through....Lmao and that is a fact...and Do NOT ask me how I know!

I have ran from the store at the beginning of the dragon to the overlook in 9 min. 14 seconds...Not to bad for an Ol'Man.. And that was on my K 1200 LT BMW.
I can't get the Rocket close to that time..I am on my 3rd set of peg scrappers

One thing...I have met cars...motorcycles...Box trucks...and one tractor-trailer on my side of the road!!!!

If you have the chance to ride the Dragon..take it easy to start with..AND STAY in your LANE at all times.

 

[TriumPhil]

That there's some good advice, joey and a funny narrative, too!

 

[Bob R]

That stay in your lane is soooooo important.

When I was stationed in California, there was a road that went up out of Redwood City through Woodside, up to Skyline Blvd, and then out to Half Moon Bay. It was a great ride, but more than once I saw a head on between bikes, bikes and cars, and had a friend put his GSXR into a tree about 30 feet off of the ground when he left the road. The bike seemed to be OK until the tow truck snatched it out of the tree, after it hit the ground it was all she wrote.

Probably 90% of the people on roads like that know what they are doing and can get by OK, it's the 10% who shouldn't be on a bike in the first place that worry me on those roads.

bob