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[Claviger]

I think it looks 0% like a Diavel, and thank fully too, I would never want my Triumph confused with a Ducati, yuck!

 

[Tripps]

I think it's mostly the a$$ end that does it for me.

 

[Claviger]

I think it's mostly the a$$ end that does it for me.

Sounds like the phrase I live my life by, has caused some drama along the way haha.

 

[ruzzle]

The trick will be ....... stopping the ECU from trying to adapt your custom tune back to Triumph determined fuel ratios. The last being I think the most challenging one.

There could well be fully closed loop mapping with a wide-band sensor to allow the ECU to maintain those Triumph-determined fuel ratios?

So a device would be required to replace the sensor and generate/send the expected lambda readings to the puter. Such a device would need to be able to read throttle positions and r.p.m. and know what readings are expected. A mini-computer of sorts,with perhaps almost a copy of the ECU map and some kind of signal generator??

Maybe I should lay off the grog before thinking about this................my head aches...........

 

[Claviger]

No, you're correct a complex emulator would work. It could also be as simple as simply telling the ECU it's always outside of it's adjustment range, as on the last model using the Dynojet O2 simulator, which is essentially a heatsinked resistor.

What we do know, the new ECUs are much smarter than the old. The Bobber and Boneville has reportedly self adjusted to upgraded cams and exhaust with no fueling changes made by the user. How far that adjustment range goes....

 

[ruzzle]

..... It could also be as simple as simply telling the ECU it's always outside of it's adjustment range, ....

..and what's the odds that emissions regulations would require the ECU to shut things down in that case.....???

 

[Claviger]

I'd guess, not likely. Motorcycle ECUs are still fairly stupid compared to car ECU setups after all. There's also a safety issue involved, you may get a CEL though.

This is how the Bosch BMW ECUs check the O2 sensors, it uses a known point and fueling amount to calibrate it's sensors, if the value isn't correct at that known point, it trips a CEL. Due to this strategy all the traditional methods do not work on them, you need ECU access to tune without a CEL. Hopefully (and I expect it to be the case) Triumph is no where near as sneaky as Bosch/BMW are.

Worst case, if one were serious enough about accessing a locked/tamper detecting ECU, one could hire the same company that cracks/cracked all the Bosch software for BMWs and Mini Coopers (also locked and tamper detecting). It's expensive though initially and will require physically opening the ECU to flash it, as well as a significant cost to owners after flashes.

All reasons I want to see the service manual and parts fiche.

 

[Tripps]

Sadly, the day of the shade tree mechanic is coming to an end
But aren't there aftermarket ECUs?

 

[Claviger]

There are, but the level of complexity to preserve the TC and cornering ABS is quite high, and then there's the testing portion of it that is problematic.

 

[sonny]

Nope. It kind of remands me of a few ex-wife's. No way to fix it so leave it. Better yet do not get involved. Age factor being played here. The bike from start is not all that. Overpriced and a under achiever. Man a lot of reading between the lines there.