How to Install Triple K&Ns Under BearClaw

My Sportster ran good - over 4000 rpm. I should have left it stock.

Where does it end? Unless you want to do some serious mods (cams, pistons, turbo, blower), you're not going to get into the serious power range above 180 hp.

One nice thing about Tuneboy is that you can download the program, user manual, and different tunes for free and see how the bike is tuned. There are 3 main fuel tables, 3 low throttle position fuel tables, a table that opens or closes the secondary plates, 4 ignition timing tables, a fuel trim table, an A/F table. Tuneboy lets you correct the speedometer, which reads 7% high and increase the maximum speed cutout.

The big downside to Tuneboy is that it is really difficult to find a tuner who can tune it directly using Tuneboy. And expensive. I got Tuneboy when it came out and eventually, Tuneboy did a dyno tune for an R3 with my exhaust (TORs/cat bypass) and it works fine for me. But it's not a custom tune for my bike.

Since you've already spent money on the GiPro, the PCIII route is a good route to consider. First, get your dealer to load the 20222 Triumph tune (for stock exhaust with filled catalytic converter). This tune has the secondaries 100% open in 4th and 5th so with the GiPro set for 4th and 5th, you don't have to remove the secondary plates - they will be open 100% all the time. As far as I can see, there's no difference in the fuel tables between this tune and the stock tune for aftermarket exhaust - both will probably be lean for Jardines.

Before you buy the PCIII, get it on a dyno with the 20222 tune loaded. If you're happy with how it's running, the power curves are smooth and it's not too lean to burn up your pistons ( higher than about 14??), stop!

If it's not running so good and it's lean, you can install a PCIII (with the PCIII O2 controller) yourself. Dynojet has a tune for the PCIII for Jardines. It's M510-004 on their web site:

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Maybe they can sell you the PCIII with this already installed. If not, just download this tune to your computer, hook the PCIII to the computer with a USB cable, and load it into the PCIII. You need to have the Triumph 20222 tune in your ECU or the PCIII won't work right, because, this tune is what DynoJet had in the bike they did the dyno tunes for their canned tunes. Note that the new PCIII O2 controller must be installed. This is a little white plug that replaces the connector from the O2 sensor.

Then, go to a good DynoJet tuner and have it test for power and A/F. $50. If you're happy with the power curves and A/F, stop! If not, spend another $250+ for a custom tune for your PCIII.

If you later put triple filters on, get the PCIII retuned.
 
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tuneboy vs pcIII

thanks all of you for taking the time to help I truly appreciated, I even had a brew at the local suds fountain in appreciation.

I am at the crossroad of choices , My feeling is since I am a big zero with computer matters past the basic on/ off I am probably going to take the safe road to improving the engine A/F ratio so up on the local dyno machine to find out if I am running too lean , then I will follow Dougl advice if we have to crank the fuel.
however costs here in alberta $ 180 for a dyno run no tuning just numbers, $400 for a PCIII , and $250 for a tuning with the PCIII hooked-up

that is a lot of beer!!
 
thanks all of you for taking the time to help I truly appreciated, I even had a brew at the local suds fountain in appreciation.

I am at the crossroad of choices , My feeling is since I am a big zero with computer matters past the basic on/ off I am probably going to take the safe road to improving the engine A/F ratio so up on the local dyno machine to find out if I am running too lean , then I will follow Dougl advice if we have to crank the fuel.
however costs here in alberta $ 180 for a dyno run no tuning just numbers, $400 for a PCIII , and $250 for a tuning with the PCIII hooked-up

that is a lot of beer!!

$180 is way too expensive. The local Honda dealer charged me $35 for a couple runs, each giving power and A/F curves. It can't possibly take more than 1/2 hour to set up the bike and the dyno and do a couple of runs.
 
dyno run

well there are only two place where I can get the bike to be checked and both charge the same and it is done between 6pm and 7 pm for forty five minutes I will investigate further if your claim of $45 is the going rate south of the border for the same job . but there are other avenue which I will also check before plunking down the money.
thanks anyway.

to hellfire

I also found out by trial and error that the GIPRO I installed had reverted to off/ATRE after installation and that is why I did not notice any changes. so I re-established the #1 profile and we will check it asap weather permitting.
 
question,
HOW did the ATRE/off function happen, and HOW did you reset it to the 1st position profile?
Just curious as mine seemed to "learn" instantly, either from my riding style,
or the ECM, and I'm not familiar with how to reset it.
All I'm familiar with is the little button on the bottom,
which I thought just allowed you to start over, letting it "relearn",
is this what you're talking about?
Don't think I need to, but information is a good thing, I'd rather know as not know.
Thanks,
skip
 
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question,
HOW did the ATRE/off function happen, and HOW did you reset it to the 1st position profile?
Just curious as mine seemed to "learn" instantly, either from my riding style,
or the ECM, and I'm not familiar with how to reset it.
All I'm familiar with is the little button on the bottom,
which I thought just allowed you to start over, letting it "relearn",
is this what you're talking about?
Don't think I need to, but information is a good thing, I'd rather know as not know.
Thanks,
skip
A power interuption causes it to revert back to stock setting. The button sets the display brightness and allows for setting changes to the "aggressiveness" as well as learning the gear positions. Refer to the owners manual for the procedures on both.
You want to make sure it's on setting 3 for the most timing advance in all gears affected.
Setting 4 puts 1st gear back to stock. It is NOT the most aggressive setting!
Setting 4 works well on slick surfaces like rain to reduce engine power in 1st gear only. Just remember that second gear is going to hit HARD if you happen to be accelerating hard.

Skip its not a "reset" button, I just realized what you were thinking. The button is for changing settings, get your user manual back out and its in there. The installation part of the book uses the button during the install to set the gear position indicator, I see now how you misunderstood what it was for. You deffinately should go through the tests in the book to make sure its on all the correct settings.
 
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well there are only two place where I can get the bike to be checked and both charge the same and it is done between 6pm and 7 pm for forty five minutes I will investigate further if your claim of $45 is the going rate south of the border for the same job . but there are other avenue which I will also check before plunking down the money.
thanks anyway.

to hellfire

I also found out by trial and error that the GIPRO I installed had reverted to off/ATRE after installation and that is why I did not notice any changes. so I re-established the #1 profile and we will check it asap weather permitting.
I've never seen dyno time that cheap either. $35 only allows for 1/2 hour @ $70 per hour labor rate.
 
This was about 2 years ago.

I just called Valley Honda in Reno, who has a DynoJet dyno and they are now charging $50 (U.S.) for a dyno test. The service guy said this includes 5 test runs. Each run takes about a minute to wind it up and let it run down, press some buttons to record the data. They wait about a minute for the next run. When I did it, it took the guy about 15 minutes to get the bike on the dyno and set the thing up.

My Triumph dealer is a performance DynoJet dyno tuner, mainly for modded V-Twins. Several years ago, he said it would cost $250 to tune a PCIII. He doesn't use TuningLink, which is automatic tuning on the fly because he says it doesn't work. He tunes every cell in the trim table manually. $180 just to dyno test it is a colossal rip off.
 
$50 just to dyno and print, $250 to dynojet and tune a powercommander with before and after print out results is typical in my area too. $180 would be a great price as long as it at least includes setting up the PCIII with a proper tune, but that is too much just to strap it down and make some runs. Thats why I suggested he call the guy and talk about having a PCIII standing by or installed prior. Maybe the quote included tweeking the power commander and there was a misunderstanding over whether he had one or not.
 
the dyno run

yep..180 bucks just to strap and run so I told him about the cost south and his answer is unprintable , so i am looking at another option.
 
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