How to Install Triple K&Ns Under BearClaw

[HellFire]

If she's already tuned for aftermarket exhaust via the Triumph tune, thats a power loss right there ...

it is tuned by triumph for the jardine exhaust

I think I will just as you say liven up the beast ,
remove secondaries, plunk down a single K&N in the can under the saddle, and watch the plugs for lean running .I already connected the GIPRO , did not see much difference in the running maybe it will get better once the secondaries are removed.I am not going triple and tuneboy , too much risk of screwing up beside if I have to sell better to KISS

Really?... you didn't notice much difference after installing the GiPro? You should recheck the settings and maybe even run the test in the book if thats the case ... you are the first here to not post a "WOW" after trying it. If it's set right, you should be feeling a 7% instant power increase in the low gears. That is VERY noticable.

 

[albertaduke]

Gipro

Really?... you didn't notice much difference after installing the GiPro? You should recheck the settings and maybe even run the test in the book if thats the case ... you are the first here to not post a "WOW" after trying it. If it's set right, you should be feeling a 7% instant power increase in the low gears. That is VERY noticable.

I should be clearer in my answer , I did not push the rpms before and therefore did not notice a difference since I had no baseline to feel the diff from, I also did not remove the secondaries yet and that could also make a substantial difference , in any case the bike is plenty fast as is and near my upper comfort zone when the needle reaches 4200RPM

my next goal is to make it run as smooth as possible by reducing all that popping on deceleration (notice I did not write backfiring as I do not believe it is backfiring, since all the noise is in the exhaust .

 

[dougl]

If she's already tuned for aftermarket exhaust via the Triumph tune, thats a power loss right there ...

it is tuned by triumph for the jardine exhaust

I think I will just as you say liven up the beast ,
remove secondaries, plunk down a single K&N in the can under the saddle, and watch the plugs for lean running .I already connected the GIPRO , did not see much difference in the running maybe it will get better once the secondaries are removed.I am not going triple and tuneboy , too much risk of screwing up beside if I have to sell better to KISS

There is no Triumph tune for Jardines. The TOR/cat bypass tune is for more restrictive mufflers so it's probably lean for the Jardine exhaust. More important for you is that in 5th gear, where the GiPro puts the ECU, this tune closes the secondaries down to 37-40% between 2700-3000 rpm, the region of peak torque. This is where the power is restricted in all of the stock Triumph tunes.

Closing the secondaries reduces power by reducing fuel and air, keeping the A/F at 13-14. When you remove the secondaries, the ECU reduces the fuel according to the percentage in the secondaries table (like 37-40%) but the air is really wide open. You will be running lean in this rpm region.

First, you should get it tested on a dyno for power and air/fuel by someone reliable. This should cost less than $50.

I wouldn't take the secondaries out until you have a clearer picture of how the fuel is regulated. You want a base tune in the ECU which has the secondaries open 100% across the RPM range in 5th gear. I don't understand how the GiPro is going to remap the fuel for the Jardine exhaust.

If you decide to get Tuneboy, there used to be a full-power (secondaries open 100%) custom tune on the Tuneboy site for Jardines and triple Unifilters. It isn't there now. However, this tune IS posted on this site under "Trading Tunes".

 

[albertaduke]

jardines ..et al.

thanks Dougl,
I bought this bike from a fellow who had the jardines installed at the dealership and when I phoned the shop I was advised that the bike had been retuned for the jardines .

I did not question any further. then I started reading this forum about ,tunes tps ecu bla bla bla tuneboy fuel tables etc etc.
this business of electronics is making me dizzy..has anybody thought of putting carbs on this bike and forget about the incomprehensible jargon using the acronyms only geeks are familiar with.

I have operated big old radial engines most of my life and this electro babble makes me wonder.

but you make lots of sense so I am going to a place where they put the bike on a dyno and will find out some answers. then I will seat down with a tankard of regional beer and decide what to do next .probably have another beer.
thanks for the info

 

[dougl]

thanks Dougl,
I bought this bike from a fellow who had the jardines installed at the dealership and when I phoned the shop I was advised that the bike had been retuned for the jardines .

They don't tune it. They just download some software into the bike's computer. Ask if it was the TOR (off road mufflers) with cat bypass tune.

has anybody thought of putting carbs on this bike and forget about the incomprehensible jargon using the acronyms only geeks are familiar with.

Geeks? The last carburated bike I had was an '83 Sportster. I put on an S&S carb, high cams, punched out the baffles in the mufflers, and could never get it jetted right.

but you make lots of sense so I am going to a place where they put the bike on a dyno and will find out some answers. then I will seat down with a tankard of regional beer and decide what to do next .probably have another beer. thanks for the info

Any time.

 

[HellFire]

Consider a Power Commander

Yup, the Triumph aftermarket exhaust tune is worthless. I made the same move and was amazed at the loss of power when I picked it up. I turned right around and went back to ask them what the deal was ... why was the bike slower than when I dropped it off? Of course they didn't have an answer since they didn't even know what the tune they loaded actually did. Had to get the answers here and make the changes myself to fix the problem. Even if you don't want to get too deep into performance stuff, you should at least plug in a Power Commander so the fuel can be richened. They are really easy and don't take a computer or tuning genius to use. Even easier, there are retailers online that will preload a tune into it prior to shipping it. I had my guy put the D&D exhaust with triple K&N's and secondaries removed tune in it so all I had to do was plug it in the bike. Ran it that way for along time before I finally had it tuned on a dyno. The dyno tune really wasn't necessary after all and all I gained was a few ponies and foot lbs from it. With that triumph aftermarket exhaust tune already in the bike, I wouldn't pull the secondary plates until you have the ability to richen it somehow. But if you have the time and the need to play around with it, pull them and take a test ride. You can always put them back in when you're done. It's always fun to mess around with the bike to see what you can do, just don't do alot at once. That way if it doesnt' run right afterwards, you know what caused it. lol

 

[albertaduke]

83 sportster

The last carburated bike I had was an '83 Sportster. I put on an S&S carb, high cams, punched out the baffles in the mufflers, and could never get it jetted right

yeah but was it not fun turning the dial and listening to the engine while trying to tune it

 

[albertaduke]

tune and more

Yup, the Triumph aftermarket exhaust tune is worthless

isn't it incredible that the manufacturer representative (dealer) have no clues as to what they do to you after you plunk down lots of cash for a product and they mess your bike .
where is the pride of knowing stuff and fulfilling client's needs to keep tem coming back.


OK I am back from dreamland , I am going to book a session at a tuner in town before doing anything to the bike then there is this fellow who will sell me his tuneboy thing and I understand I have to buy a "key" ,plug my laptop to access my ECU and see what is in the guts of the electronic brain then figure out on the computer what to do . maybe some gentle soul will guide me in the quest of good and smooth running .

I remember in 04 I tested the R3 and all I remember was the incredible acceleration at low rpm I did not feel that in this 06 I just bought even now with the gipro installed no diff, but I will climb that mountain ,and get it done. tomorrow we test the GIPRO as suggested by hellfire and I will not remove anything before the dyno time at the local shop. I am going to take it one day at a time.

 

[albertaduke]

tune boy power commander etc..

one last question before going to bed.
the tuneboy thingy allows for modification in the ECU correct???
but I read the tune trading thread, and seems that to add fuel to the intake to increase the fuel to air ratio you have to use a power commander on top of the tuneboy , isn't it what the tune boy is supposed to be used for among all the other stuff it does . I mean tuneboy $200 key $200 powercommander $200 where does it stop.
AM I missing something ?

 

[HellFire]

If you aren't experienced with ECM software modifications and since you already have a GiPro, you should seriously think about bothering with a Tuneboy. Exhaust, triples, GiPro, removing the secondaries and a PCIII alone will do everything you want. The exhaust and triples will open up the air flow, GiPro takes care of the retarded timing, removing the secondaries takes throttle control from the computer and a PCIII adds all the extra fuel you need. This way all you have to buy is filters and a PCIII. This combination will achieve rear wheel numbers close to what the new roadster boasts at the crank. If you aren't happy with it after this, you can blow cash on a Tuneboy later down the road. I'm running this setup and couldn't be happier.
If you are going to start right off with a dyno run, having the Power Commander installed will allow the tech to alter the tune right on the dyno. PCIII's are what bike shops are familiar with the most anyway, most of the dyno's are Power Commanders as well. Ask your dyno guy about it. Having one hung before your visit will save you another trip later.