Guard Dawg Keyless Ignition

I am thinking about the Guard Dawg keyless ignition for my 05 rocket, anyone here installed one ? I could use some instructions on how to do the wiring - as there are no rocket specific instructions I could find.

Thanks for the info, this looks perfect, a lot cheaper and reasonably easy to do. I like the idea of being able to use the key also if you need to (if battery dies in the fob) nice fallback.

I am also planning to install a Scorpio alarm (or another brand RFID alarm I have not decided yet) do you think this keyless mod will work with those types of alarms ?

If you want RFID - Then look at the MotoGadget Moto-lock OR The TERACOM-LOCKY. I've just acquired 3 of the TERACOM devices (Give me time to decide how and where to fit please)- They're on E-BAY too. Use the same idea as idk's link - But use an RFID switch.
The Guard Dawg is BLOODY expensive imo.

Hi barbagris,

thanks for the tip, will look into them and i agree the Guard Dawg is a bit heavy on price for what it is, i like Idks solution as it gives you the aility to use the key also if you need to.

In a perfect world what i would like is a combination alarm and keyless ignition, i am not particulary worried about RFID or buttons, does not really bother me - but i would like one button (or RFID) to disarm both the alarm and enable the ignition at the same time - but Scorpio and Gorilla alarms dont touch the ignition they are more concerned with motion sensing - and both sense the current in the electrical system as a way of setting off the alarm if someone does turn on the ignition or hotwire the bike - its a shame, if they added keyless ignition to thse high end alarms - they would be perfect and it would be a useful feature - and you only have one button or device to worry about.

As it is now i will have to worry about two buttons, one for the alarm and one for the keyless ignition - if i happen to use the keyless ignotion before disarming the alarm then this will set the alarm off (due to the alarm current sensing - thinkis someone is trying to hotwire or turn on the ignition) - so i will have to remember to disable the alarm first before using the keyless ignition - which is a drag and i am bound to forget and set off the 120db alarm siren all hous of the day...

I was thinking about getting a scorpio and tearing it apart to find the switching logic inside when the ARM / DISARM command toggles, buffer this signal, and rig some driver circuitry beefy enough to trigger the keyless ignition relay - but the scorpio is expensive and i might junk it while fiddling around so forget that idea.

I will probaly go with the dual system, if i put the alarm on RFID then all i need to do is remember to only use the keyless ignition button when i am close to the bike - the RFID will automatically disarm the alarm - so only "one button" to press...

I found an interesting solution on the Trimphrat.net forum, which will work with the Rocket

It’s by a user called DEcosse (Ken) and he really knows his stuff. This mod is well thought out and documented.

RFID Keyless Ignition and Alarm

This mod is very cool and I will be doing this mod to my Rocket for sure. He has taken a RFID alarm for a car (Sombre K9 relatively inexpensive) and adapted it to work as an alarm AND keyless ignition (search his posts and he has keyless ignition only which can be operated with a remote switch or RFID) - he has a video in the first post showing it working.

Link here

Rudge said:

I found an interesting solution on the Trimphrat.net forum, which will work with the Rocket

It’s by a user called DEcosse (Ken) and he really knows his stuff. This mod is well thought out and documented.

RFID Keyless Ignition and Alarm

This mod is very cool and I will be doing this mod to my Rocket for sure. He has taken a RFID alarm for a car (Sombre K9 relatively inexpensive) and adapted it to work as an alarm AND keyless ignition (search his posts and he has keyless ignition only which can be operated with a remote switch or RFID) - he has a video in the first post showing it working.

Link here

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That is nicely done. It's what I'm building but with "swipe" RFID. The longer range RFID antennae I've found so far look a bit clumsy. Plus with swipe - the bike wont switch on when I leave my Jacket or gloves on the seat at home.

What I do like about that is it uses multiple relays - which I am doing also. The disadvantage on new R3's is the **** Sumitomo connectors for the ignition switch. And I am having trouble finding them. I wont be adding an alarm.

barbagris said:

That is nicely done. It's what I'm building but with "swipe" RFID. The longer range RFID antennae I've found so far look a bit clumsy. Plus with swipe - the bike wont switch on when I leave my Jacket or gloves on the seat at home.

What I do like about that is it uses multiple relays - which I am doing also. The disadvantage on new R3's is the **** Sumitomo connectors for the ignition switch. And I am having trouble finding them. I wont be adding an alarm.

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Yes, originally I was looking to only do the keyless ignition RFID swipe version, but the range is very limited for swipe type readers – you have to get within a couple of inches of the sensor for it to activate - which makes positioning the sensor on the bike difficult so it remains hidden and is easily accessible.

Using the Sombre K9 you get the longer range and can have it activate from a key fob automatically when you are close enough to the bike – Ken modified the receiver by removing the antenna completely so it has an effective range of 3-5 feet which is perfect. (With the antenna, it is about 15-20 feet which is too far).

You don’t need to use the alarm features, in fact I think most uses will not (annoying peizo alarm horns going off all the time by accident) its main use is to give hands free RFID operation without the need to swipe anything - just don’t connect the alarm horn and don’t add any shock sensors or such like, but you do get the hotwire protection (someone tries to hotwire the bike it will disable the ignition) and there is also the anti hijack feature, if its disarmed and someone else rides off on the bike without the RFID key fob, it will automatically kill it 30-45 seconds later. It also flashes the indicators when armed and disarmed and pulses the OEM alarm LED in the Rocket RPM gauge when armed.. which is nice.

I hear you on the Sumutro connectors, it’s practically impossible to source the 8 way connectors needed, what Ken recommends is to use the 10 way connectors (which you can get from eager beaver) and simply remove the crimp pins and wires from the OEM 8 way connectors and put them in the 10 way versions - given its not stock anymore but I am not so worried about this.

Rudge

Rudge said:

I hear you on the Sumutro connectors, it’s practically impossible to source the 8 way connectors needed, what Ken recommends is to use the 10 way connectors (which you can get from eager beaver) and simply remove the crimp pins and wires from the OEM 8 way connectors and put them in the 10 way versions - given its not stock anymore but I am not so worried about this.

Rudge

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I've also found a place in China with 4-ways - apparently for Kawasaki's. Still hunting