I saw that and wondered if it was accurate since they are nearly identical the rest of the way to redline. probably credit the different exhaust for the torque curves.
 
I knew it, we have been speculating on the down under dyno's being optimistic... @warp9.9
Im a believer!!! Just saying!!! I still can't ride though. But Im working on this recovery thing!!!
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Now that I'm sitting at a computer and not trying to type on a phone here are my impressions from the weekend...

1.) The major difference between my bike and Steel's is where the torque comes on, however, I'll bet the butt dyno can't tell the difference between the two.
2.) From what I saw the tuner primarily plays with ****** rockets (one 450 HP Busa that I bet would be a blast to ride...once) and while he has played with a few Rockets, including Stipes' TTS blown Rocket, I'm not completely sure of his familiarity with the idiosyncrasies of a Rocket. Doesn't mean he doesn't know his business though.
3.) There was no messing around with anything on the tune other than A/F ratio. May be able to squeak a few more HP out of the beast with Tune Boy or TuneECU by playing with ignition timing, etc.
4.) I think the Tuner was right, the early dip in torque is due to the ECU dumping fuel on hard acceleration causing the mixture to go way rich on launch. So far all of the charts, or at least all of the ones I could find to look at, have that characteristic dip at low RPM
5.) I'm sure this one will generate some comment. In my opinion, anecdotal information would seem to indicate that there is not a lot of difference, performance wise, between Reband, CES and Carpenter. They all make power and torque, it's simply a matter of where you want it in the RPM range.
6.) I achieved what I wanted to achieve this weekend, I know the bike is running with and A/F mixture across the entire range that isn't going to harm the engine and it is making power where I want it...lower in the RPM range...mission accomplished.
7.) Given the difference in numbers between what I saw and what some others running CES pipes / K&N's saw I plan on making another pull on a local Dyno without changing anything on the tune just to satisfy my own curiosity. I have been told that there are sometimes fairly large differences between Dyno's and Tuners and this seems a perfect opportunity to see just how much. In an effort to be Top Dog I may even do it at the HD shop. That extra 25 HP head start should put me on top :D

Sorry for the long post, but there you have it. VERY satisfied with the CES pipes, although hot on the leg when stopped in traffic. Performance, aesthetics, fit and finish...all superb.

Tex
 
I'm guessing Jim's dyno is a bit conservative. I had higher numbers at Friendly Yamaha in Baton Rouge with my old tune. I know the butt dyno and runs to the top of my local bridge told me Speedy's tune gave me more than I had when I went to Friendly's dyno.

2 things that surprised me were:

1) He only adjusted A/F, and didn't tweak timing.

2) The CES pipe put more heat on the leg than the Carpenter pipe did.
 
The Pipercross is a bigger version of the Ramair and flows more air that and the Carpenter Brute which are designed to produce power higher up in rev range would be the reason for the variances and also possibly part of the reason why steels torque curve started with those iregularities in it, from my understanding this is why Sam would not make my headers out of 2 inch when I asked him to, since then I have talked to several tuners and read articles which say the same about have having larger primary tubes causing back wash of exhaust gases and not flowing properly at lower revs and then coming into their own higher up in the rev range

Exactly, & extra heat comes from the forward first headers, more pipe by your leg more heat radiated.
 
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