Gearbox/clutch drama

"I am just fixated on the large gap between fourth and third gears on the output shaft."

It does look like that front gear has moved forward
 
While we are on the tranny subject what does it mean when sometimes my bike is hard to get into first. I have to click down multiple times before it goes in. Not all the time either.


Ok, I'll ask the obvious stupid question. does the clutch cable have too much slack in it?
 
"I am just fixated on the large gap between fourth and third gears on the output shaft."

It does look like that front gear has moved forward
I am thinking the opposite if thats the circlip I see in the picture. Thats why I mentioned to him to look and see if the third gear side came off. I cannot see it from the angle in the pictures.
 
I am thinking the opposite if thats the circlip I see in the picture. Thats why I mentioned to him to look and see if the third gear side came off. I cannot see it from the angle in the pictures.

I would definitely check the shafts for runout in the event any pieces made it through any of the other gears.
 
Pretty large space between fourth gear and third gear on the out put shaft Its hard to tell from the angle but it look like circlip #7 is in the groove but with the gap I wonder where and what circlip #13 is and if it is still in the groove. I would give it a complete look over and pictures before you lift the output shaft out to verify the circlips and their locations. I am curious to the splined bushings wish the thrust shoulder on them not like the old style with splined bushings and separate splined thrust washers. it from the views you posted which I would like more I wonder if the third gear slid on the shaft because the circlip #13 might have came out of the groove. And the second gear output #10 shifted towards the dog ring #14 slightly engaging the dogs on them while mean while when you shifted from fourth to fifth the third/fourth gear #12 input shaft that moved over to make fifth gear (by the external dog on dog contact between #12 and #8) anyway third gear on third gear I suspect are always in mesh and only impart drive when the dog rig is engaged. If the circlip #13 came off and the gear moved towards the rear then the third on third might come un-meshed and therefore out of time to re-mesh and well snap. crackle. and grind along with a munching sound. Of course I just woke up and am only on my first cup of coffee. I would like to also know if the nut on the helical gear output shaft is still tight or if it worked loose allowing the shaft to shift with the torque and thrust produce by the helical gear. I will eagerly await your reply :) Now for another cup of joe so I can think.

Ok coffee in hand and I wanted to mention that while working with a guy 500 miles from me who has a transmission problem. We found or more like Mark found there is a special tool for pulling the input shaft its listed in newer manuals but not the two I have/ Its basically a slap wrench like a dent puller for a car only instead of hooking to the body of the car it goes over the input shaft nose. I am not sure if it threads on to the shaft or if you put it over the shaft and spin the clutch basket nut on the shaft to hold it.

Keep in mind if you have a newer manual my part numbers in the drawing might not be the same I got from my OEM 2006 Manual page 8.19 and page 8.23

I would check all the circlips out to see if they are in their proper grooves before you start pulling the output shaft out. And Once the shaft is out I would verify the circlips are install with correct orientation especially paying attention to any if any came out of the shaft grooves. Noting the condition and if there is any scoring on thrust washers and such.

Go Slow as You do not want to drop and fragments into the crankshaft area. In fact I would try to cover that area even if I had to make a cover plate out of card board to completely cover the crank shaft area.

I'll post some more pics as I go...Unfortunately NOTHING moves or rotates .. she's locked solid, there's smashed teeth everywhere.

The slide hammer you are talking about is in the manual I've got which I think is 2008/9. It has a threaded collar that attaches to the threaded end of the shaft then you screw the hammer into the other end of the collar and tap the shaft out. I'll probably have to make one.

Big thanks to my local dealer who gave me the alternator removal tools on loan. They said they've never seen a smashed 3rd/4th and have only ever replaced 2nd on rockets (about 30 replacements all up and I don't think there's more than 100 rockets in Perth???)

I won't have any time to continue work on it until the end of the week but thanks for you interpretation so far. I will torque the output shaft nut just to see if it's loose...but I don't think it is. My bet is circlip as you and @Rocket Scientist have mentioned:thumbsup:
 
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I am no transmission guru but seeing carnage like that, I wonder if something by way of debris wasn't flying lose in there?
 
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