Free unrestricted maps for Rocket R GT and TFC now online

[Planet3]

Went for a 200km run today and as others have suggested the tune is awesome!
It's not just the extra Hp up top or the unrestricted throttle action. It's the low-speed/fueling manners in Sport mode that have been tidied up heaps. It was good before but now it's better again.
No error codes all day either. Sorted.

Now you have me all excited again to get mine done. All I need is a car battery instead of a charger and I'm good to go. Same Tuneecu version as yours

 

[gadget_ho]

Went for a 200km run today and as others have suggested the tune is awesome!
It's not just the extra Hp up top or the unrestricted throttle action. It's the low-speed/fueling manners in Sport mode that have been tidied up heaps. It was good before but now it's better again.
No error codes all day either. Sorted.

Yeah, I figured once you rode it, you’d know it was successful!

 

[imcool]

Hello Mr. @Penner I remember you said somewhere in this thread that other modes in your map are not touched but I flashed your map from tuneecu.net and Tune ecu PRO software and I dont see any difference in riding modes. All riding modes on the rocket 3R Rain, rider, road, sports feels exact same.

Can anyone else confirm this?
thankyou

 

[dougl]

Hello Mr. @Penner I remember you said somewhere in this thread that other modes in your map are not touched but I flashed your map from tuneecu.net and Tune ecu PRO software and I dont see any difference in riding modes. All riding modes on the rocket 3R Rain, rider, road, sports feels exact same.

Can anyone else confirm this?
thankyou

You won’t feel a difference in rain mode. The maps for the GT and R are somewhat different but the big derestrictions in the road and sport mode electronic throttle are above 60% TP. Your max HP at 100% TP will be over 20 hp higher than stock, as seen in posted dyno charts. You should be able to feel this. If not, put it on a dyno.

 

[Penner]

Hello Mr. @Penner I remember you said somewhere in this thread that other modes in your map are not touched but I flashed your map from tuneecu.net and Tune ecu PRO software and I dont see any difference in riding modes. All riding modes on the rocket 3R Rain, rider, road, sports feels exact same.

Can anyone else confirm this?
thankyou

It very much depends on your riding style.
The main difference is at wider throttle openings all over the rev range and even more at higher revs.
Unless you go there you might just feel a little smoother running engine.

 

[Xsannz]

I'm going to offer up a potentially wildly unpopular notion here, especially with this group in this thread.

whilst i feel the penner map on a dyno in the lower and upper ranges is better and for sure makes more power and is actually smoother up top.
It is NOT in anyway smoother in the 1.5-3k rpm range with on and off throttle transitions in any of the modes, in fact i feel it is far more abrupt on off feeling now.

i speculate that feeling is to do with the more fuel in the lower tables and so the on off is actually a higher stepover than in the lean factory tables, i remember having this problem with the early release of the tuning software for the original R1 crossplane engines, and they eventually pathed it to be having a smoothing function across the changes in the tables coupled with i think double the number of columns and then it would average and smooth them out.

I could be wrong but i dont think so as i have flashed the factory and the penner back to back 3 times now o (NOTE THIS IS AND R MODEL) and i can definitely feel the difference especially slow speed on off transitions

 

[dougl]

I'm going to offer up a potentially wildly unpopular notion here, especially with this group in this thread.

whilst i feel the penner map on a dyno in the lower and upper ranges is better and for sure makes more power and is actually smoother up top.
It is NOT in anyway smoother in the 1.5-3k rpm range with on and off throttle transitions in any of the modes, in fact i feel it is far more abrupt on off feeling now.

i speculate that feeling is to do with the more fuel in the lower tables and so the on off is actually a higher stepover than in the lean factory tables, i remember having this problem with the early release of the tuning software for the original R1 crossplane engines, and they eventually pathed it to be having a smoothing function across the changes in the tables coupled with i think double the number of columns and then it would average and smooth them out.

I could be wrong but i dont think so as i have flashed the factory and the penner back to back 3 times now o (NOTE THIS IS AND R MODEL) and i can definitely feel the difference especially slow speed on off transitions

This is interesting. I assume you’re using the Penner and stock All Markets R tunes (31018). First, Penner didn’t change the L fuel tables, so up to 4% (F-L switch) throttle grip, there’s no difference. Above 4%, it’s using the F tables. Penner added between 3 and 7% fuel to the F tables from 900 to 4000 rpm between 2.4 and 41.7% grip throttle. However, in the A/F table he lowered a block of values from 14.5 to 14.1. I believe this keeps it from going into closed loop (uses the O2 sensor to lean it out) in this area. By lowering the A/F with no closed loop, you’re increasIng the fuel delivered by about 3 additional % or more. But there’s no change to the fueling above 50% grip throttle. There’s also no change to the ignition tables. There’s no change to the rain mode etv1 table. For road mode (etv2) he made it more sensitive down to low grip throttle %. For sport mode (ETV3) he made it more sensitive down to 11.8% grip throttle and the most sensitive at WOT and near WOT. This is where you get the 170+ rwhp. So if you’re looking for low end smoothness, I would suggest using the stock 31019 tune, but with Penner’s ETV3 table copied into it so you can use sport mode for racing but road mode for putting around and cruising. What do you think?

 

[Xsannz]

This is interesting. I assume you’re using the Penner and stock All Markets R tunes (31018). First, Penner didn’t change the L fuel tables, so up to 4% (F-L switch) throttle grip, there’s no difference. Above 4%, it’s using the F tables. Penner added between 3 and 7% fuel to the F tables from 900 to 4000 rpm between 2.4 and 41.7% grip throttle. However, in the A/F table he lowered a block of values from 14.5 to 14.1. I believe this keeps it from going into closed loop (uses the O2 sensor to lean it out) in this area. By lowering the A/F with no closed loop, you’re increasIng the fuel delivered by about 3 additional % or more. But there’s no change to the fueling above 50% grip throttle. There’s also no change to the ignition tables. There’s no change to the rain mode etv1 table. For road mode (etv2) he made it more sensitive down to low grip throttle %. For sport mode (ETV3) he made it more sensitive down to 11.8% grip throttle and the most sensitive at WOT and near WOT. This is where you get the 170+ rwhp. So if you’re looking for low end smoothness, I would suggest using the stock 31019 tune, but with Penner’s ETV3 table copied into it so you can use sport mode for racing but road mode for putting around and cruising. What do you think?

correct with map assumptions, I am not comfortable playing with those maps and tables on the android device, if someone was to produce the changes you mentioned above i would flash them, and i assume you mean the stock 31018 map with changes added as 31019 us USA based and wouldn't work
and yes to me that would be the best and actually probably suit a few others here, all the beans in sport mode, but more sedate in road mode.

 

[dougl]

correct with map assumptions, I am not comfortable playing with those maps and tables on the android device, if someone was to produce the changes you mentioned above i would flash them, and i assume you mean the stock 31018 map with changes added as 31019 us USA based and wouldn't work
and yes to me that would be the best and actually probably suit a few others here, all the beans in sport mode, but more sedate in road mode.

Yeah, 31018. I’ll do it. I assume you don’t have a 31018 from Alain with the speed limiter removed? Pm me your email.

 

[Xsannz]

Yeah, 31018. I’ll do it. I assume you don’t have a 31018 from Alain with the speed limiter removed? Pm me your email.

no i wont bother removing the speed limit. PM sent