Darkside mc

Kelly and Art, up in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G... uhhh, not!

Can't we get you guys to bury the hatchet, and no, not in each others skulls?

Hellfire, you have let IFT get under your skin (he's a very good ballbuster).

IFT, you are now a (more) legitimate member of this community (congrats on the purchase, BTW - can't wait to get our beasts side-to-side)). Can't you change the channel, play with the kids in the sandbox a little nicer, agree to disagree and act more like a duck (you know, the water off the back thing) and let folks live and let live a bit more with their own choices?

I love my car tire, but I just can't reconcile riding on the sidewall on those occassions when I choose to let loose a bit more than normal. I'm not afraid to ride on it until I switch back to a MT, but I am being more prudent about how often and how long I push it hard.

There are certainly more downside bulletpoints to the MT than the one you mentioned,tdragger. Most notably, the rider input required in steering and manuevering is considerably greater. You must always use more countersteer when turning. The wider contact patch of the MT can "grab" bad road camber or ruts and even areas where two different paving courses come together and throw you off track rather unexpectedly. No one can legitimately claim that our bikes steer or respond faster to rider input on a CT vs. a MT. the car tire is noticeably slower and heavier in response. There are, I believe, some inherent and incidental advantages to riding an R3 on CTs, but that is a purely subjective view which will vary from rider to rider. for one, I will only return to the MT because of the sidewall issue - a regrettable situation, but for me a pretty black and white one.

Now, for Gawd's sake, will you two assclowns call for detente?

but, he's the one who started the trolling, not us...

tell ya what... if Art says he's sorry, then all of us darksiders will try to slow down for him so he can keep up. how's that?


greg

What is this, grade school? Art's always been somewhat tongue-in-cheek, which is often difficult for some to perceive here in cyberspace.

Phil,

Thanks for the civil response. I'll comment in like manner. Like I mentioned in my post, the level of effort in steering is a non-issue for me. Given a number of factors mainly being my weight, the sudden shifts that others may associate with irregular road surfaces are not even noticeable to me. But that's my own unique situations. Others may not have the same experience.

I will certainly agree that a c/t will never transition any faster than a m/c tire, but again, due to my own unique scenario, I don't feel that it is any slower. That's just my opinion.

I can respect your decision to return to the light for the reason you stated. You are obviously a more agressive type rider than what a darksider might ought to be. I'm not that agressive.

As far as Art goes, he crossed my line when he accused me of being a danger to others on the road when the fact is that he is far more dangerous to others with his reckless riding style. That kind of condecending attitude would piss anyone off. (I don't give a flying f... if my spelling is wrong, btw)

Sorry, I was busy today ...
Phil it doesnt' become you to defend the guy, he is what he is and regardless of you defending him, or me and others stating the obvious, he will always act tough and superior like a woman behind the wheel. If belittleing, bragging and insults are his game, then let him justify it himself. You rode with the guy once, obviously he chopped you up in little pieces over the tire issue ... why?
If his personality is difficult to percieve online, maybe he shouldn't go there. Just like people safely enclosed in their cars, cutting others off in traffic because they can, acting like children with no respect for others. Those people might not act like that when face to face with people, but they do when on the other side of annonymity like a car or a computer. I've enjoyed this site because those types typically don't exist here, Cyber-terrorists are what I call them. They show up in public, drop a hate-bomb and sit back to watch the carnage. Sick.

Not personal

HellFire said:

Sorry, I was busy today ...
Phil it doesnt' become you to defend the guy, he is what he is and regardless of you defending him, or me and others stating the obvious, he will always act tough and superior like a woman behind the wheel. If belittleing, bragging and insults are his game, then let him justify it himself. You rode with the guy once, obviously he chopped you up in little pieces over the tire issue ... why?
If his personality is difficult to percieve online, maybe he shouldn't go there. Just like people safely enclosed in their cars, cutting others off in traffic because they can, acting like children with no respect for others. Those people might not act like that when face to face with people, but they do when on the other side of annonymity like a car or a computer. I've enjoyed this site because those types typically don't exist here, Cyber-terrorists are what I call them. They show up in public, drop a hate-bomb and sit back to watch the carnage. Sick.

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HEY SORRY I WAS BUSY riding today PHIL doesnt have to defend ME WE are just stating the facts as we found them after our observations of the ride we went on to test the tires and no one chopped PHIL up we both saw the results of that ride on the sidewalls of the tire and thats all this is about USING A CAR TIRE on a motorcycle IM not acting tough we simply gave you the facts as it happened and I know im not CRAZY as all the tire engineers agree that you shoudnt use CAR TIRES on motorcycles and I agree with them this is supposed to be a debate over tires so why not stop with the personal attack and lets make NICE NICE and concentrate on the tire subject I now own a ROCKET and i really like the bike like everyone else here but I dont like the CT and this is not personal we are talking about tires for god sakes so lets lighten things up and have some fun

goodfellow said:

but, he's the one who started the trolling, not us...

tell ya what... if Art says he's sorry, then all of us darksiders will try to slow down for him so he can keep up. how's that?


greg

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OK GREG im sorry and will you promise to slow down and wait up for me till I get a CAR TIRE HEY SERIOUSLY I found myself looking at the CAR TIRES in SAMS CLUB TODAY

I have been keeping my thoughts and opinions to myself for the last three weeks about the CT vs. MT. I was think about going to the CT with my 02' warrior before I crash two years ago. And I have been reading more about it with my rocket for two years now. I have rode other bikes with the CT and found the handling off, harder and just different. The warrior had a 200 rear tire and a 120 front. It handled off, harder and different because of the different tire sizes front to rear. Now the rocket has a big 240 rear and 150 front. Handles off, harder and different.

Now I have had a Cooper Zeon P225/55r16 on the back and have put about 700 miles on it and have come this. It will be a cold day in hell before I put another junk ass metzler on any bike that I own. Front or rear. I had them on the warroir. didn't trust them. Had them on the rocket, first used when I brought the bike then replace with new ones. In Texas in the heat of summer I didn't like them at all. I like the Avon's and will run them in the front,and the rear when and IF I never move some where eles. If I still lived in New York I would have to try the CT and see how it worked out with the side wall wear. But for ME and the WAY I RIDE the CT is the way to go. I think tdragger and myself have the same "unique scenario" with our weight and how the bike handles the CT. I started the psi at 32, then move up to 35 psi, and i liked it better. I put 41 psi in last week due to the wife riding with me and it was even better with just me on. No problems with handling loaded down and just me. Now I know that I can no longer drag my knees doing 130 mph. Or races around some cones in a parking lot really fast or go to a track day at the Texas World Speedway. But thats o.k. with me for know. I do have another rim with a metelzer that i will be cutting off so no one can get hurt by it soon. I just want to see the cross section of it along with me worn out Avon.

Phil, just a question that you can answer for me. Did you never try higher psi in the CT? And how did it handle for you. The reason I ask is that at the pressure you were running, I know why you rode on the sidewall. The same reason that a car would be doing the samething with that pressure and running that hard.

Thanks to everyone that has been there and done that before me. Keep the good info coming.

PS Hellfire, you were right about the 3 K&N's and new tune. **** it's fast now.

Firstly, I respect where you are coming from, tdragger and Hellfire. This CT/MT conversation is fine to have as regards their respective merits and dismerits, but the snide remarks which inevitably leads to sniping gets old. I think we all know the positions of the contributants to this thread , as well as many on numerous others, so why repeat them, ad nuaseum (Art)?

IFT has alot of positive things to contribute here, so why not give it a try rather than stirring the pot amongst an audience that clearly prefers stiller waters?

In answer to your question kcc 11, I initially ran the Toyo Proxes T1R at 38 psi and found it to be ponderous and very slow to respond to my input. Consequentlt, I dropped the pressure to 32 pounds and found that to be just right for my 200lbs geared up. I wouldn't run the tire much lower than that for fear of excessive belt movement. On my VTX 1800s, on which i ran a B'stone Potenza 205 on the stock 180 rim, I ran at 40 pounds and the tire was phenomenal. The Honda had much less of a lean angle due to its lower ground clearance and lower hanging parts, making riding on the sidewall a nonissue. I could not get any treadwear on that setup closer than about 1" away from the sidewall. If I didn't occasionally ride balls to the wall on my R3, I would definitely not consider changing back to a MT.

BTW I'm not trying to defend Art. We've met and ridden several times and I've found him to be good company and quite likable - the diametric opposite of his demeanor online. I, too, would like him to take a chill pill here! Life is too short...