Darkside/downside

[TheKid]

Thats funny, I just got done reading an article in "rider" magazine, dated July 2012.
Very interesting.

 

[GPMAZ]

you said it all there that is the same reason we don't use the same tyres as MottoGP bikes

Yeah, and the fact that slicks aren't really a good idea on the street, or legal for that matter.

 

[Evil Mitch]

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Geez I just realized I am going to kill myself in my car cos Im running the the same tyres that the Highway patrol car use and after a quick run up the mountain there is scuffing on the sidewalls.... oh no we are all doomed... this is a joke I'm outta here!![/QUOTE]

At the end of the day mate if your happy with the tyre u run on your machine and it suits your needs and riding style than it doesnt matter what anyone else says or thinks
u already have your desired outcome and that is a darkside on your machine and goodluck to ya.

Im happy with what im running also and have no desire to change to another tyre weather it be motorcycle or darkside so really our participation in this discussion is fruitless . Personally i dont care what other put on their bike as long as i have what i want on mine

 

[seeya]

Motorcycle tires are designed to slip. If you watch a MotoGP race you will see the bikes slide on every corner. While the feeling may be disconcerting to someone not used to riding a more sporting motorcycle at its limits, the tire is performing within its design capabilities. Given a lack of road hazards, water, oil, etc, a sliding rear tire is very controllable. Reduce the lean angle, or reduce throttle input and the tire will regain traction.

My question would be what happens to a car tire when it does lose traction in a turn? At that point are you on the sidewall? Can you slide a car tire in a controlled manner and simply end the slide by reducing the lean angle or are you past the point of no return?

I ran a CT on my bike for over 25000 miles, I was chasing my son on day, he was on his 636 ninja, we came into a turn that I had always taken at high speed with the floorboard scraping, 65 mph. This time I was going way too fast when I entered the turn doing about 83 mph, got it slow down to about 72mph, threw the bike over onto the left floorboard, folded it up as tight as it would go, and it was solid, I was on the bar that the board bolts to. I was leaning as far as I could, half way through the turn I notice the bike was skating to the outside of the turn towards the guardrail, I pulled the bike up out of the lean a little and and the CT got traction again and I made it through the turn. I can't say what a Metz or a Avon would have done in that instance but I do know the CT got me out of that very dangerous situation. I run Avons now simply because of less counter stir. Counter stir is about the only negative thing I can say about the CT.

 

[xhdskip]

Good on ya seeya,
Glad ya made it out of that one.
i entered a turn to fast too,
one i've been riding since I was a kid,
knew better, but just hit it to quick.
I'm sure the metz would have slipped right out from under me,
but the CT hung tough and once into it,
I powered on out and it stuck like glue,
(Thank GOD)
The CT did slip once on me though,
I rolled into a curve with sand on it (in winter)
it did slip but was manageable even then.
I'm happy with my choice, hope everyone else is too.
Ride safe ya'll,
skip

 

[GPMAZ]

I ran a CT on my bike for over 25000 miles, I was chasing my son on day, he was on his 636 ninja, we came into a turn that I had always taken at high speed with the floorboard scraping, 65 mph. This time I was going way too fast when I entered the turn doing about 83 mph, got it slow down to about 72mph, threw the bike over onto the left floorboard, folded it up as tight as it would go, and it was solid, I was on the bar that the board bolts to. I was leaning as far as I could, half way through the turn I notice the bike was skating to the outside of the turn towards the guardrail, I pulled the bike up out of the lean a little and and the CT got traction again and I made it through the turn. I can't say what a Metz or a Avon would have done in that instance but I do know the CT got me out of that very dangerous situation. I run Avons now simply because of less counter stir. Counter stir is about the only negative thing I can say about the CT.

Very interesting, thanks for posting.

Do you ride an R3T? Reason I ask is I've also wondered if the counter steering issue is as pronounced on the R3T with the skinnier rear tire. Also, did you happen to check the rear tire to see if your excursion into the pucker zone had you up on the sidewall?

Again, thanks for giving some insight into how the tire performed in a ragged edge type situation.

 

[seeya]

Took me about 45 mins to settle down after that and about 6 months to touch the boards again,

 

[seeya]

Very interesting, thanks for posting.

Do you ride an R3T? Reason I ask is I've also wondered if the counter steering issue is as pronounced on the R3T with the skinnier rear tire. Also, did you happen to check the rear tire to see if your excursion into the pucker zone had you up on the sidewall?

Again, thanks for giving some insight into how the tire performed in a ragged edge type situation.

I ride an 07 classic, I weigh bout 160 lbs, ran 28 psi in CT and I have NEVER ran on the SIDEWALL.

 

[Macrider]

tires

I dont understand why some think you can go onto the sidewall on a car tire.
If the tire pressure is correct 28-32 psi its almost impossible to ride on the sidewall.
Ive done some mean leans, floorboard scrapers and there is no sidewall scuffing at all.
GPMAZ I have an R3T no issues with counter steering ,its there but very subtle, I do not even think about it anymore.

 

[Dennsell]

Well that caused a bit of Sabre rattling in the ranks ..

As intelligent humans we are able to make calculated choices for ourselves and others that are a little less talented..

However we are responsible for our actions and choices be them good or bad..

I don't understand though why hanso had to ridicule a perfectly legitimate point of view with his "this is a joke Im outa here" but thats his prerogative I guess..

Anyway we are responsible for our action and entiled to our point of view here, so we can agree to disagree...
I will never ever put a car tyre on my bike..ever! .. my choice

PS ...Still luvya hans