Considering a Rocket vs an Indian

[El Toro Rosso]

It's a new bike, but technically used...see my post under Factory Warranty. Still a get deal if you want a new R3T.

You keep saying this, but you are generalizing and may not actually know what you think you know.

I bought one, and Triumph has acknowledged it as new. It has been titled as new.

If you keep telling everyone the bikes are used but new, it's just a bunch of bs on the signal. Pay attention to your own bike's status. Don't offer help where none is needed. Whether these bikes are titled and warrantied as new bikes is between Triumph and the customer. You're not involved.

 

[El Toro Rosso]

FWIW, the main issue with warranty from the perspective of the manufacturer is what they call the "in service" date.

BMW used to blow out bikes to major dealers, like BMW Daytona Beach and Max BMW. Others would get in on the deal too.

The bikes could be sold as new up to an agreed on "in service date." After which they would have to be sold as used. The warranty started at the in service date.

With these 2015 R3Ts, they are being sold right now will full factory warranties ... and Triumph is offering $2000 cash rebates that can be applied to the sale.

The blowout deals that you see have had their rebate applied to lower the selling price. When you buy one, you will be assigning all rebates over to the dealer.

The miles on many bikes can be easily attributed to test riding. A two year old bike in the showroom as new has probably been out on a few tests, and it is easy enough to rack up 20 miles on a test ride. I've done it myself a time or two. By the time the bike is already a leftover, the dealer is not likely to limit your test ride. They'd like the bike to sell.

One dealer explained the low prices to me this way. He said "We knew we were going to be thumped. The question was how much and when. Might as well be now."

Triumph has said that the rebates will end 12/31/16, so there are incentives for dealers to blow these off of their floor plan now.

Inventory tax is generally tied to the end of the AY. And floor plan continues as long as you have not sold the bike.

The auction stuff that keeps coming up is NOT in play on these bikes that are on the floor plan. Floor plan bikes are owned by Triumph and on the dealer's floor for a percentage of the msrp every month until they sell. Some dealers own everything on their floor ... so they are using their own capital to fund their floor. Most dealers use the manufacturer's floor plan.

 

[Bedifferent]

You keep saying this, but you are generalizing and may not actually know what you think you know.

I bought one, and Triumph has acknowledged it as new. It has been titled as new.

If you keep telling everyone the bikes are used but new, it's just a bunch of bs on the signal. Pay attention to your own bike's status. Don't offer help where none is needed. Whether these bikes are titled and warrantied as new bikes is between Triumph and the customer. You're not involved.

My first comment to your response is...Why are you so adversarial over this? I made the post with good intentions.....simply a effort to help someone on the forum understand the possible reason for the questionable dates and warranty situation. Personally, I have no intention of getting my nose bent out of shape over this topic. All I know is....what a reputable dealer by the way...told me when I bought my bike. With all the 2015 R3T being dumped on the market at a reduced price, it made sense. I was passing it on. If you want to take exception and have a better explanation, then fine. Perhaps you can find a more even tempered way to express it. It is a forum after all and last I knew we were all here to try and help each other out.

 

[1olbull]

HA thats great I like the bike but its not comfy enough my buddy can only ride his for bout an hour then he starts complaining and wants to stop but it is a cool crazy street fighter if thats what you want i guess I cant ride those supermotos with my old body Ill leave that thing to the hooligans to wrestle with I like riding my modded Rocket its comfy and its fun beating all the SQUIDS on those crazy street fighters

NOT in the twisties!

 

[1olbull]

I don't know about the ZX-14R but I owned a 06 ZX-10R for about six months. AWESOME BIKE!
The faster you went the better it handled. Traded it in on the Roadster before I killed myself. Road raced a guy on a Suzuki GXR 600 on some back roads. We was both going 145 with him in the lead. I said enough of this crap and went by him going 152 he tried to keep up but he lost. Those days are behind me now.
I miss that bike but knew I needed to get rid of it because I have little will power....lol
Me on The Dragon

ZX10 is better handling, not quite as much top end as the 14R.

 

[JamiePT]

My first comment to your response is...Why are you so adversarial over this? I made the post with good intentions.....simply a effort to help someone on the forum understand the possible reason for the questionable dates and warranty situation. Personally, I have no intention of getting my nose bent out of shape over this topic. All I know is....what a reputable dealer by the way...told me when I bought my bike. With all the 2015 R3T being dumped on the market at a reduced price, it made sense. I was passing it on. If you want to take exception and have a better explanation, then fine. Perhaps you can find a more even tempered way to express it. It is a forum after all and last I knew we were all here to try and help each other out.

 

[IMFASTTOO]

FWIW, the main issue with warranty from the perspective of the manufacturer is what they call the "in service" date.

BMW used to blow out bikes to major dealers, like BMW Daytona Beach and Max BMW. Others would get in on the deal too.

The bikes could be sold as new up to an agreed on "in service date." After which they would have to be sold as used. The warranty started at the in service date.

With these 2015 R3Ts, they are being sold right now will full factory warranties ... and Triumph is offering $2000 cash rebates that can be applied to the sale.

The blowout deals that you see have had their rebate applied to lower the selling price. When you buy one, you will be assigning all rebates over to the dealer.

The miles on many bikes can be easily attributed to test riding. A two year old bike in the showroom as new has probably been out on a few tests, and it is easy enough to rack up 20 miles on a test ride. I've done it myself a time or two. By the time the bike is already a leftover, the dealer is not likely to limit your test ride. They'd like the bike to sell.

One dealer explained the low prices to me this way. He said "We knew we were going to be thumped. The question was how much and when. Might as well be now."

Triumph has said that the rebates will end 12/31/16, so there are incentives for dealers to blow these off of their floor plan now.

Inventory tax is generally tied to the end of the AY. And floor plan continues as long as you have not sold the bike.

The auction stuff that keeps coming up is NOT in play on these bikes that are on the floor plan. Floor plan bikes are owned by Triumph and on the dealer's floor for a percentage of the msrp every month until they sell. Some dealers own everything on their floor ... so they are using their own capital to fund their floor. Most dealers use the manufacturer's floor plan.

YEP i can tell u about Floor planning ihe makers use the dealers as a storage center and charge them while they are thats

ZX10 is better handling, not quite as much top end as the 14R.

on the street it matters not you cant ride at track speeds so I ride the ROCKET with all the sportbikers and have no problem hanging with any of them thats the problem with race bikes they are only good on a track

 

[daytonageo]

YEP i can tell u about Floor planning ihe makers use the dealers as a storage center and charge them while they are thats

on the street it matters not you cant ride at track speeds so I ride the ROCKET with all the sportbikers and have no problem hanging with any of them thats the problem with race bikes they are only good on a track

Actually the ONLY problem with race bikes (or any bikes for that matter) is that 99.9% of the people that own them can't ride for crap. A well ridden stock Sportster will smoke you with a good rider on it on a twisty road. I watched pro racer Sean Alexander absolutely humiliate almost every rider he came across with a stock Sportster on some Cali canyons we rode. It was hilarious. He would humiliate you too. Bet on it. Or maybe you remember Reg Pridmore who ran his superbike school? He would teach his class with all 120 HP superbikes, and on the last day take his stock BMW airhead with 80 HP, put his kid on the back, and lap the field with it! Keeping up with bad riders is easy. It isn't the bike. It's the rider.

 

[1olbull]

on the street it matters not you cant ride at track speeds so I ride the ROCKET with all the sportbikers and have no problem hanging with any of them thats the problem with race bikes they are only good on a track

I must call BS on this comment. I KNOW for a fact that it is NOT so!
As a rider of both Sport bikes for many years and cruisers (V2K & R3R) for the past 12 years, I'm here to report that I can operate twisties WAY faster on a sport bike than on my R3R. I too have enjoyed embarrassing some sport riders on my R3R and even a few aboard my V2K; however, rider skill being equal or better than I = NO WAY!
I further doubt you are near as good in the twisties as you purport.

 

[El Toro Rosso]

Rockets can't compete with sport bikes in twisties.

I used to advise a student formula car team.

One year the advisor for a 10 time national championship team was kind enough to share some time with me on their campus.

One of the major points I took away from that meeting was that his opinion at that time was that a well handling student formula car with 60 hp could win the annual race series.

The students were always trying to get more power. Power is rarely a factor in a course with short straights.