Why we crash. An incomplete but informative study.


Excellent point!
Why should tax-payers be forced to subsidise under or no insured MC riders injured because they chose NOT to wear a helmet?
 
Excellent point!
Why should tax-payers be forced to subsidise under or no insured MC riders injured because they chose NOT to wear a helmet?
Because we don't have "death councils", and health care is (should be) a right.
So, don't be a drain on the system - wear a helmet!
 
Bring back euthanasia!

Oregon is enlightened as was the Northern Territory (NT) here in Australia when I lived there until our opinionated religionists in the Federal Govt on both left and right conspired to pass legislation striking out NT legislation and preventing the two Territories, NT and Australian Capital Territory (ACT) where I reside now from having the right to self legislate on just this issue.

The other six states still have the right to do so but so far the opinionated religionists in their parliaments on both left and right are still preventing the vast majority of opinion in support of euthanasia to be listened to, refusing a referendum or even a plebiscite to represent their constituents. In Australia plebiscites are non binding whereas referendums are.

Despite compulsory voting in all Australian legislatures the problem is they are too worried about the minority voters who could upset the existing swings on a single issue during regular elections.

No vegie patch for me though, I'm covered in this case as I am on a non reversible anti-coagulant medication and will bleed out (or in) within a few minutes after a big bingle, regardless of medical intervention.
 
But at least it took 6 pages for this one to go political/religious
Phoinix, I had no doubt you'd turn it liberal.
Health care, a right?
Oh boy, heeeeeeere we go

@1olbull I'm pretty sure you n I share the same genes...... they're just a little tighter on you
 
You confused us with this conservative statement as it sounded like you where not for that
You been hangin out at the alt right bars ????
I just knew that would would be something to touch off the conservatives.
But yes, health care should be a right. The government regulates things from drivers and electricity to hairdressers and zoomba instructors. To not directly regulate the medical industry is inconsistent.
I'll stop here. I'm sure everyone understand my position.
 


Gone fishin
 
If you study a little in economics, you learn (if you're open to learning) that the Invisible Hand of Adam Smith has many pathological off-shoots. One of those led to the Great Depression that followed the stock market crash in October 1929.

Another one, is when one group is successful in creating a monopoly as has brilliantly succeeded the AMA.

In all the discussion that led up to ObamaCare, the "third rail" of the system was a nut they could never crack (how's that for a tortured analogy and mixed metaphors) - to get the doctors to agree to cost curbs.

So in the end, the government forced limited movement of resources around, to help 20,000,000 people pay for a system that is broken and unsustainable, and there wasn't (and still isn't, and unlikely to ever be if nothing else changes) enough to go around, with the inevitable result seen is the last year of premiums going up, and companies pulling out of the healthcare exchanges.

Fundamentally, the AMA has been highly effective at controlling the supply of medical care, so costs are driven up by demand *totally removed from outcomes* (whether people get better or not, how long it takes us to get well, and how often and soon we go back).

Fundamentally, for US healthcare to deliver its promise, we need to examine costs at a more granular level at which clinical outcomes are matched with the business and administrative processes.

There are pockets in the US where this has been achieved. And the AMA was successful in resisting policies being incorporated in Obamacare that would have replicated those success stories around the country and truly made a difference.

Arguing care is a right or not a right is a moot point in practical terms. The "compact" that the AMA has in return for the highest paid segment of society, is that no one (in theory) is turned away. This leads to much care delivered through emergency rooms - a highly inefficient (and expensive) mechanism, and this was the sole element the politicians could get through in the Affordable Healthcare Act (that is, providing insurance to all so people could schedule their doctor visits), because reform touches several rice bowls of powerful special interests.

The election of President Trump pales compared to the forces in support of the status quo, and this is NOT a Democrat/Republican thing liberal/conservative thing, despite all the noise on the line currently. What both parties are dancing around, is how to bring the AMA in line, and be able to stand the onslaught that would be unleashed which is the AMA's trump card: [advertising - fake news - alternative facts - whatever you want to call it: "This change will drive doctors out of business, and people will die waiting for treatment. Will it be you? A loved one ? Don't say we didn't warn you."
 

I told my son who regularly goes riding without his helmet that should he crash and become a vegetable from a head injury I will not visit him in long term care because it will be to hard for me.