Welp, It Happened…Bike No Start While Out

[Jay]

Bike is back to 100%. After a week at the dealer the first time, they couldn’t recreate the issue. I drove it away on a Saturday evening just as the dealer they was closing, stopped at a place about 10 miles down the road and spent another 2.5 hours stranded when I came out to start the bike. Finally got it started and went home, no clue how I got it started. Every combination of push starting, jump starting, resetting engine disabler (key fob on/off, holding close to antenna by rear seat, standard key, left side switch off and on, rapid handlebar power/on/start switch), but nothing that was for sure the right combo. Parked the bike for a week and ventured the following Saturday. Had a great morning ride and then went to go home and no joy. Spent six hours while tryong to get it started, waited for a trailer, and took right back to the dealer. Said same issue and I need it fixed. Fortunately no diagnostic charge and they isolated the issue to the starter. The selenoid or something related to it was goign bad so they replaced the starter. No issue for the past month, so it was just a fluke. Sad I spent a couple hours stranded, but that is the adventure side of our hobby.

 

[Eric Ray]

Bike is back to 100%. After a week at the dealer the first time, they couldn’t recreate the issue. I drove it away on a Saturday evening just as the dealer they was closing, stopped at a place about 10 miles down the road and spent another 2.5 hours stranded when I came out to start the bike. Finally got it started and went home, no clue how I got it started. Every combination of push starting, jump starting, resetting engine disabler (key fob on/off, holding close to antenna by rear seat, standard key, left side switch off and on, rapid handlebar power/on/start switch), but nothing that was for sure the right combo. Parked the bike for a week and ventured the following Saturday. Had a great morning ride and then went to go home and no joy. Spent six hours while tryong to get it started, waited for a trailer, and took right back to the dealer. Said same issue and I need it fixed. Fortunately no diagnostic charge and they isolated the issue to the starter. The selenoid or something related to it was goign bad so they replaced the starter. No issue for the past month, so it was just a fluke. Sad I spent a couple hours stranded, but that is the adventure side of our hobby.

Thanks for the update, never know when someone else comes across this problem.

 

[Jay]

Welp, back to the shop. Several rides and commuted a few days over the last month and no issues. But came out in a hurry to get to work and no start. Same symptoms as before. Had ridden the rocket to work the day prior, so not sure what happened. I cleaned the battery terminals again, changed the battery in the fob, checked the clutch and kickstand sensors and still no start. Tried in first gear with clutch in and kickstand up and also tried in neutral. Tested all the relays and checked fuses. So aggravating, but wasted no time and went back to dealer. Tech was frustrated I was back so soon and vowed to find the issue so hopefully they get it sorted. Since the kickstand sensor, clutch sensor, gear position sensor, bike angle sensor, and start switch have to all be in synch, it is hard to chase the cause. 5200 miles of enjoyment so far and hoping this is a minor setback that just needs to be found. Was hoping to make this a 10-year, 100k mile bike.

Funny enough, the owner of Triumph Motorcycles was visiting the dealer today, so I got to meet him and a couple of his corporate officers. They were in town for the Super Motorcross Championships. That’s what I love about our motorcycling community. Never know who you’re going to run into.

 

[stingray]

Welp, back to the shop. Several rides and commuted a few days over the last month and no issues. But came out in a hurry to get to work and no start. Same symptoms as before. Had ridden the rocket to work the day prior, so not sure what happened. I cleaned the battery terminals again, changed the battery in the fob, checked the clutch and kickstand sensors and still no start. Tried in first gear with clutch in and kickstand up and also tried in neutral. Tested all the relays and checked fuses. So aggravating, but wasted no time and went back to dealer. Tech was frustrated I was back so soon and vowed to find the issue so hopefully they get it sorted. Since the kickstand sensor, clutch sensor, gear position sensor, bike angle sensor, and start switch have to all be in synch, it is hard to chase the cause. 5200 miles of enjoyment so far and hoping this is a minor setback that just needs to be found. Was hoping to make this a 10-year, 100k mile bike.

Funny enough, the owner of Triumph Motorcycles was visiting the dealer today, so I got to meet him and a couple of his corporate officers. They were in town for the Super Motorcross Championships. That’s what I love about our motorcycling community. Never know who you’re going to run into.

hope you let them know your troubles. 5200 miles and how many problems?

 

[Journeyman]

You have infinite patience. Sorry, this continues to drag on. Keep us posted.....

 

[TURBO200R4]

It is extremely difficult to diagnose a problem when the bike is working good and just because you have a friend that has a similar problem don't mean it is going to be the same fix.
So you can work with your mechanic by driving around his area for a while then bring the bike back to the area and shut it off where he can start checking it if it won't start.
I am assuming the scanner tool is better than the tuneecu but with tuneecu you can verify neutral/clutch switch/starter relay (not if it is good but the electrical apply circuit) and you can monitor the battery voltage. Iam
Thinking it also shows the starter solenoid but it has been a long time since I have used it.
Anyway it has to malfunction to find a problem.
Hth herman.

 

[Rufus Roughcut]

The main loom had got trapped on my bike, do you know if Triumph have checked this area? if your bike is the same as mine? it's possible the wires are barely touching, maybe causing intermittent starting, just a thought.

 

[Jay]

Unfortunately life is too busy right now for me to do deep troubleshooting and rule out any more than I did. I had wanted to chase a few ideas using TuneECU and my volt meter, but I just told the dealer to find and fix it. Not my normal habit to rely on others when it comes to my motorcycles, but given the comprehensive warranty, I figured it is better left to them. Of course there’s always another car problem, so while the dealer has my Rocket, there’s enough room for my son’s car in the garage and we are working on his transmission. Second transmission service for his fateful Ford Focus having done the last clutch replacement 50k miles ago (we like the special cases).