I went to our local Harley shop yesterday...I had some time to kill, and I always get a good laugh when I see their prices. As far as anything with a 103 c.i. or bigger, they did actually have 3 or 4 bare bones Road Kings that were under $20K...start adding options though and the price heads north of $20K pretty quickly. I didn't see any Street Glides or Road Glides that were under $30K, but I think they all had options. The sales rep I talked to said they could be had for the mid 20s without options. All of their CVOs were over $40K, and I'm sure some were near or at $50K. I know their bikes have nice paint and chrome, but I'm sorry, they are all overpriced for what you get. Chrome and paint isn't worth a $10K-$15K premium. Though I didn't ride any yesterday, I have ridden some of the newer Harleys and they have been underpowered, and they handle like a dump truck. Even their newest engine designs are still antiquated compared to other makes, but Harley has got to keep their customer base happy, and so many people seem to like their shaky, clunky motors, so that isn't likely to change anytime soon. Some of their bagless and faringless models don't look too bad, but then again, I've never liked the looks of ANY bike with bags and farings...I think they ruin the looks. Just for laughs I asked the sales rep how much torque the CVO made and he said it was about 85 ft lbs to the rear wheel. I told him that was a little over half of what my R3R makes...I actually said Triumph Rocket...he had never heard of the Rocket (big surprise, right?) and when I told him it was 140 c.i., he was astounded to find out there was actually a production motorcycle made with that big of an engine. Most Harley guys don't venture outside of their little Harley dome of a world, so they have no clue what the other makes have. When it gets nice out (if it ever does) I'll have to ride the R3R over there just to watch the people gather around and ask questions...