Time for a new rear tire, car tire or bike tire ?

[1olbull]

Anyone who has read "fan magazines", on any subject, knows the writers give clearly biased information.
Are they liars or just purveyors of misinformation?

[This new XVTZ750 motorcycle requires a brick under the side stand to support the bike.
So the writer says: "The proud owner of this modern marvel gets a gift certificate for a free brick in the color of their choice. Also a 50% off coupon for a Genuine Imitation Leather carrying bag for when the accessory is not in use. We were impressed and you will be too."]

They like what the manufacturers make. They support the manufacturers to a fault.
This is common knowledge - any consumer product area. Consumer Report excluded - which is not a "fan magazine".
The ones I mentioned are ones I have experienced first hand. they are not unique.

As for Triumph not covering warranty work - hogwash.
I trust my dealer more than you, and he said no problem.
So unless you have some actual documentation.........

WOAH NELLY!!!
Did you actually just ask for "some actual documentation?!?!?!?!?!?!"

As I live and breathe . . . . . THANK YOU FOR MAKING MY EXACT POINT!!!!!
Burma Shave!

 

[BehereNow]

Good comments; BUT, I do not understand how or what you do to get only 2000 miles on a tire - any tire!
I have gotten as bad as 4500 on a rear; but usually 6000 to 7000. The Excedra Max has improved my twisty mileage to over 7000. Fronts are near twice as much mileage.
Agreed tire wear is indeed a PIA on a long ride. On my cross country 11,500 miler last summer, I started out on new rubber and needed to replace both front and rear tires during the trip. Definitely a hassle locating a shop with a proper tire in a strange city. To me it's worth it for the security and performance when pushing the limits. BYW I rode the Dragon 8 times and nearly every twisty in Co, AR & SC. I can sure see if one were primarily a long distance freeway rider how a CT would be a tempting prospect.

The 2000 mile mark is just past the mid point - where I am starting to loose confidence in traction, especially in the rain. First two MC tires, less than 3500 miles to bare steel. With the CT I get traction like a brand new MCT, all the time.
I was a commuter rider before retirement, no long trips.
I get about 7000 on the front, Avon Cobra about the same as stock. Like you, twice the mileage from the front.
I am a hot-rodder. If I am behind someone going 10mph under the limit, I pass at first opportunity. With the Rocket, I do not need much distance. Acceleration takes care of business.
Top end does not burn rubber, acceleration does.
I do not do stop light burn outs or crazy stuff. No real "smoke".
I know I am not unusual. My guess is the ones who would be getting 3k miles are on the dark side.
I saw a R3 at my dealers that had plenty of tread on the rear at 5k miles. On the front tire, the chicken stripes on each side were wider than the wear strip.
Accelerate through the curves, punch it on the straightaways. That's how I ride.
Tach on 3k or higher most of the time. 2k around town.
Torque puts a smile on my face more than top end. Plus, no law against taking first gear to 50mph and second to 60 when the speed limit is 60. All in a few seconds.
Lots of ways to have fun riding the R3.

 

[1olbull]

The 2000 mile mark is just past the mid point - where I am starting to loose confidence in traction, especially in the rain. First two MC tires, less than 3500 miles to bare steel. With the CT I get traction like a brand new MCT, all the time.
I was a commuter rider before retirement, no long trips.
I get about 7000 on the front, Avon Cobra about the same as stock. Like you, twice the mileage from the front.
I am a hot-rodder. If I am behind someone going 10mph under the limit, I pass at first opportunity. With the Rocket, I do not need much distance. Acceleration takes care of business.
Top end does not burn rubber, acceleration does.
I do not do stop light burn outs or crazy stuff. No real "smoke".
I know I am not unusual. My guess is the ones who would be getting 3k miles are on the dark side.
I saw a R3 at my dealers that had plenty of tread on the rear at 5k miles. On the front tire, the chicken stripes on each side were wider than the wear strip.
Accelerate through the curves, punch it on the straightaways. That's how I ride.
Tach on 3k or higher most of the time. 2k around town.
Torque puts a smile on my face more than top end. Plus, no law against taking first gear to 50mph and second to 60 when the speed limit is 60. All in a few seconds.
Lots of ways to have fun riding the R3.

All good and happy to hear you are enjoying your 09 R3 Classic.
I just still cannot get my head around a rider wearing out a rear motorcycle tire in just 3000 miles; ESPECIALLY now that you have stated you do NOT do burn outs.
I hope you are coming to RAA X. We shall have to go riding together.

 

[BehereNow]

Heh heh heh! Man, are you ever incorrect regarding the use and applications of science in the REAL world! The real world IS physics!
1) "When I have 3000 miles on my rear MCT, and I can feel the steel threads under the rubber, I do not not feel very safe."
I absolutely MUST call BS on this for reasons that would be obvious to anyone with experience on a motor.
2) "You people who think science can be worked out in your bathroom with a pencil or computer need to get up to date."
You believe the scientists (engineers) that designed motors and those that designed the tires meant for them did it in a bathroom?
3) "You need to step out into the light of day. You need to become a critical thinker."
Me believes these comments apply more to yourself than to me.
4) "I am not implying, I am stating. For you, it may be a different world."
Well, I do happen to use physics, math and a computer for my work as a collision analysis expert; although not generally in the bathroom. Your strong words that you are STATING and not IMPLYING fly in the face of real science, have absolutely no support in real world facts and frankly reveal your opinions to be unfounded and frivolous.
By all means enjoy your CT; just don't make hard-and-fast claims that you cannot support with anything other than only your personal opinion.

The scientific method has, in recent decades, allowed the use of computer models, with varying degrees of success.
The Scientific method requires actual, real world, experimentation, when it is possible.
Mathematics does not.
When physicists resort to mathematics, they are not doing science.
Do you understand the difference between science and mathematics?
There is no science in saying, "Well, I sat behind my desk here in my fancy air conditioned office, did some computations, and let me tell you about using a CT on a motorcycle."
We tell you millions of miles on CT, hundred and probably thousands of users, and your reply is 'Well, theoretically it can't be done.'
This is not 'my opinion'. This is the experience of hundreds of users and riders. Probably thousands. With never a failure reported.
The opinion is yours. Yours and the junk science that does no testing, only theorizing.
I call BS on you.
Show us the motorcycle and CT that failed on this light of day testing you did.

You do not think I can wear a MCT down to the steel threads????
Or that I can't do it in 3000 miles?
Or maybe that I do not feel safe?
What is it?

 

[BehereNow]

WOAH NELLY!!!
Did you actually just ask for "some actual documentation?!?!?!?!?!?!"

As I live and breathe . . . . . THANK YOU FOR MAKING MY EXACT POINT!!!!!
Burma Shave!

So, I have asked for this documentation many times, and many places.
It seems now you will be providing it.
I've waited a long time.
I hope the wait was worth it.

 

[BehereNow]

All good and happy to hear you are enjoying your 09 R3 Classic.
I just still cannot get my head around a rider wearing out a rear motorcycle tire in just 3000 miles; ESPECIALLY now that you have stated you do NOT do burn outs.
I hope you are coming to RAA X. We shall have to go riding together.

SWMBO and I help our son with three young boys under the age of 5.
When I sneak out for a 2 hour ride I am missed.
Hoping to do RAA, but just a dream at this point.
Me, I just can not understand 10k on a rear MT (not you, but others). I have the same disbelief as you do.

 

[BehereNow]

HansO,
What you state here is equally true for those of us grounded in the science of the real world, who are constantly hearing folks making unsupported and false claims that the use of a car tire on a motorcycle is superior to the tire designed for it!

I am sorry if you somehow find it offensive, but that is just plain wrong. Use and ride on WTF you wish! Please do NOT lead others, who are looking for valid information, astray by stating what are merely your opinions (without any supporting basis) as fact!

Some darksiders really need to learn the differences between opinion and conjecture versus logic and reasoning.

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but logic and reason are not Science.
Science uses logic and reason, it also uses imagination.
Logic and reason do not yield scientific results.
Experimentation yields scientific results.
If you need a lesson, I have the time.
Logic and reason are conjecture. You start with some premises, that may or may not be true, and go from there.
A 'fact' is an actual event.
It is a 'fact' that dark siders have ridden millions of miles with no tire failures.

 

[1olbull]

The scientific method has, in recent decades, allowed the use of computer models, with varying degrees of success.
The Scientific method requires actual, real world, experimentation, when it is possible.
Mathematics does not.
The Scientific method requires actual, real world, experimentation, when it is possible.
Do you understand the difference between science and mathematics?
There is no science in saying, "Well, I sat behind my desk here in my fancy air conditioned office, did some computations, and let me tell you about using a CT on a motorcycle."
We tell you millions of miles on CT, hundred and probably thousands of users, and your reply is 'Well, theoretically it can't be done.'
This is not 'my opinion'. This is the experience of hundreds of users and riders. Probably thousands. With never a failure reported.
The opinion is yours. Yours and the junk science that does no testing, only theorizing.
I call BS on you.
Show us the motorcycle and CT that failed on this light of day testing you did.

You do not think I can wear a MCT down to the steel threads????
Or that I can't do it in 3000 miles?
Or maybe that I do not feel safe?
What is it?

Relax a little Amigo. This is NOT a personal attack. Hopefully it is an open minded discussion that may result in some understanding.
1) "The scientific method has, in recent decades, allowed the use of computer models, with varying degrees of success. The Scientific method requires actual, real world, experimentation, when it is possible."
Very true, except I would say always rather than if possible.
2) "When physicists resort to mathematics, they are not doing science.
This here is a preposterous and ridiculous comment worthy of no response! Physics IS mathematics.
3) "Do you understand the difference between science and mathematics?"
Since I use both to make a living, I would venture an educated guess that I know the difference exceedingly more than yourself.
4) "There is no science in saying, "Well, I sat behind my desk here in my fancy air conditioned office, did some computations, and let me tell you about using a CT on a motorcycle."
Don't you realize that science is BASED upon real world testing! Check out the SAE and the thousands upon thousands of papers regarding testing done regarding autos, motorcycles and tires.
5) "We tell you millions of miles on CT, hundred and probably thousands of users, and your reply is 'Well, theoretically it can't be done. This is not 'my opinion'. This is the experience of hundreds of users and riders. Probably thousands. With never a failure reported. The opinion is yours. Yours and the junk science that does no testing, only theorizing. I call BS on you.
Show us the motorcycle and CT that failed on this light of day testing you did."
How many miles have been driven by folks NOT wearing seatbelts who were not injured? Does this mean the use of seatbelts is not safer? Does this mean seatbelts are a conspiracy? Again you refuse to understand that your opinion and those of anyone else, including myself, are meaningless if not supported by factual data. Just point me to any testing that shows a CT on a motor is superior to its designed tire - in any way. BTW - I shall grant you the mileage benefit - only.
6) "You do not think I can wear a MCT down to the steel threads???? Or that I can't do it in 3000 miles?"
Correct!
7) "Or maybe that I do not feel safe? What is it?"
Once again, your opinion - your feeling.
This has been interesting. but I must move onto other things now.
Be well - have fun.

 

[1olbull]

So, I have asked for this documentation many times, and many places.
It seems now you will be providing it.
I've waited a long time.
I hope the wait was worth it.

SHOW ME YOURS _ I'LL SHOW YOU MINE!

 

[budman]

what do ya think the average is on a typical R3 rear MT..6 or 7 thousand?..just wondering.