The Darkside / what not to do?

wjb3805

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hi guys:

the Metz is showing its age and wear and is really crying for a replacement. ready to take the darkside plunge and have read a lot of the pros and cons. my question is what are the Absolute "no-no's" when doing this?

Also as to size, what is the general consensus as to the best spec. have been looking at BFG, Goodyear and Cooper. any issues there?

thanks for your time

Jeff
Portsmouth Va
2006 R3
 
wjb3805,
I went with a Riken Raptor 55 X 225.
The 55 instead of a 50 to correct the speedometer error.
The 225 so I'd have a little room for "give" in the sidewall by the driveshaft.
The pros as I see them.
1) hydroplaneing is not a concern any longer.
2) cost is one third a metz.
3) mileage is at least 3 times a metz.
4) handles sweet with the right PSI.
The cons as I see them.
1) n/a
2) n/a
3) n/a
4) n/a

There you have it in a nut shell.
I WON'T be going back.....
 
Everything Skip said 100%. As far as absolute no no's. Don't expect your dealer to put it on, and don't expect everyone to understand. Softer tread compounds (lower tread wear rating) is advised.


I will add a down side to the dark side.

They are heavier than a standard motorcycle tire. That means they require more power to accelerate and they will be a little slower to change direction.

Are you a serious sport bike rider? Probably not, you bought a great big cruiser and your thinking about putting a car tire on her.
 
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+1 on the Riken Raptor. Inexpensive, soft compound, good looking pattern.

I've got over 10k miles on mine and it still looks brand new.

Come up to Fredericksburg and see. Both Britman and I are running the same tire.

225/55ZR16.
 
compounds?

Hey Tdragger:

have some loose plans on a fall leaf ride that way in the not distant future. may be able to catch up one day. you mentioned tire compounds. how is this determined? saw DOT traction and temp guides listed on the tires but no legend to decode them.

whats your thoughts on Goodyear Eagles?

thanks

Jeff

Portsmouth Va.
2006 R3
 
Are you a serious sport bike rider? Probably not, you bought a great big cruiser and your thinking about putting a car tire on her.[/QUOTE]

Lester532:

Twisties are fun, but if I'm scraping pegs it means I've screwed up and over shot my turn.

cruising is my style. bikes are too expensive and I heal too slow...

Jeff
 
I believe a majority of darksiders run 225s. The softer compound spoken of relates to the Tread Wear Rating. The Cooper Zeon 2XS is or was a 280 (low mileage rating for a 4-wheeler). I believe the Goodyear Eagle is in the 400+ range. One Captain recently reported 25k on his Eagle at time of its most recent replacement. Some Captains put a lot of stock in a straight or nearly so centerline such is employed in the Cooper Zeon tire. This is believed to enhance wet weather traction. Frankly, the Eagle should do just as well in the rain and have less of the definitive car tire look. Personally, I think the straight center line may impart more need for counter steering on straight stretches of the byways that have that crowned mid section in the lanes, which result from heavy truck traffic. Unless you ride on the high center or in the center of the troughs, you'll be near constantly inputting a degree of counter steering. If your experience is with poorly maintained byways...make sure you're ready to compromise on a regular occurrence. If and when you're swinging the FBG through the twisties on a regular basis, don't give compromise a second thought. And if you live in Arkansas don't go there To my knowledge, a single Colorado Captain ventured over to the dark side, ever so briefly, found the Colorado higher country roads are unfit for Darksiders. Personally having ridden on four wheels over the divide through CO, I don't blame him.

I hoping to hear that the Cooper aka Avon 240 wide MC tire for the RocketIII is getting 14k+ on a regular basis and I'll step over into the light once again. I despise changing the rear Metz every 8 month. Even during this so-called economic recovery period the price of a Metz M880 is being slashed and approaching 1/2 MSRP, that doesn't make up for the hassle of changing every 8 months. I'll wager, a dollar to a dog nasty (and come out ahead when I win), the Marathon 880 is closer to a 100 TWR.When the time comes and it is said the dollar ain't worth ****, I'll have the proof that it is

I went with the Cooper Zeon 2XS for its stated "rounded" profile. I had to assume it meant in the "section width." And the stickier 280 compound was a draw.
And with a high PSI it does have a slightly rounded sectional profile, particularly where the rubber meets the road. But the 280 compound wore quite quickly in the center.

Tread Wear Rating aka UTQG. The Riken Raptor appears to have a 520 rating. I believe there is a direct relation between TWR and UTQG.
 
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The Riken Raptor has a treadwear rating of 300 which means that it is a fairly soft tire. The Traction rating is AA which is very good.

The Goodyear is a good looking tire but I have a bias against Goodyear. Everytime I have had dealings with a Goodyear shop, I went away feeling like my backside was assaulted. No support for Goodyear here.

Back to the Riken. It had a narrow, continuous center rib which I find works well for me. It is at least 50% narrower than the one mentioned on the Cooper so it doesn't have the same affect.

I would guess that all of the Captains that have gone with the Riken would use it again. Of course, it is going to be several years before they have to change.

Riken users that I am aware of include:

xhdskip
britman
captain j
juggernaught
gldean
and a few others that I can't think of right now.

a fall leaf ride would be great. Let me know when you're thinking of coming this way.

I will be at the Rocket Launch in 2 weeks. Also, I prefer to ride on Sundays in the fall because of commitments to college football games.