SOLVED!! Was HELP!! Sump bolt question - 2005 RIII Early Model

[Ishrub]

Note some of the bolts and other sump parts varied as well.
This is the later version. COMPARE carefully.

• Sump & Fittings Eng No 217501

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#	Part	Stock	RRP	Qty Used	Basket
1	Sump, Black T1230135 Share this part	BACKORDERNO STOCK	$227.77excl. VAT(£187.00)	-	QuantityMinusPlus
1	SUMP PAINTED M/C ASSY SILVER T1230133 Replaces T1230137 Share this part	BACKORDERNO STOCK	$227.77excl. VAT(£187.00)	-	QuantityMinusPlus
2	Plug, NPSI 3/8 Dryseal T3450005 > Eng No 698316 > ENG NO 711928 Share this part	1-3IN STOCK	$3.63excl. VAT(£2.98)	2	QuantityMinusPlus
3	Sealing Washer T3550123 Share this part	BACKORDERNO STOCK	$2.39excl. VAT(£1.96)	-	QuantityMinusPlus
4	O Ring T3600104 Share this part	1-3IN STOCK	$0.82excl. VAT(£0.67)	-	QuantityMinusPlus
5	Gasket, Sump T1230002 Share this part	1-3IN STOCK	$14.29excl. VAT(£11.73)	-	QuantityMinusPlus
6	Bolt, RHHF, M6 x 25, SLV T3200190 Eng No 127360 » Replaces T3200102 Share this part	BACKORDERNO STOCK	$1.45excl. VAT(£1.19)	1	QuantityMinusPlus
6	Bolt, RHHF, M6 x 28, Slv T3202303 Share this part	4+IN STOCK	$0.88excl. VAT(£0.72)	17	QuantityMinusPlus
7	Bolt, Domed, S/S, M6 x 50 T3203050 Share this part	1-3IN STOCK	$3.68excl. VAT(£3.02)	-	QuantityMinusPlus
7	Bolt, HHF, Lghtd, M6 x 1.0 x 50, Slv T3205073 Share this part	1-3IN STOCK	$3.68excl. VAT(£3.02)	2	QuantityMinusPlus
8	Cover, Strainer, Cut Out T1230207 Share this part	BACKORDERNO STOCK	$3.47excl. VAT(£2.85)	-	QuantityMinusPlus
9	STRAINER COOLER SCAVENGE 1230050T03 Replaces 1230050-T0301 Share this part	1-3IN STOCK	$20.24excl. VAT(£16.62)	-	QuantityMinusPlus
10	STRAINER RETAINING PLATE 1230055T03 Replaces 1230055-T0301 Share this part	BACKORDERNO STOCK	$0.57excl. VAT(£0.47)	-	QuantityMinusPlus
11	Screw, M6 x 12, Enc, Raw T3051062 Share this part	4+IN STOCK	$0.82excl. VAT(£0.67)	2	QuantityMinusPlus
12	Sump Bolt, M14 T1231747 Share this part	BACKORDERNO STOCK	$9.94excl. VAT(£8.16)	-	QuantityMinusPlus
13	Plug, M14 x 1.5 T3450093 Replaces T3450079 Share this part	1-3IN STOCK	$3.20excl. VAT(£2.63)	1	QuantityMinusPlus
14	WASHER SEALING 144X23X3 T3558989 Replaces T3550605 Share this part	4+IN STOCK	$1.07excl. VAT(£0.88)	1	QuantityMinus

 

[tribal]

Great info as always!

I installed Triumph OEM Part - GASKET, SUMP Part Number T1230002 $15.49

 

[tribal]

It is interesting to see this 'center' hole in your picture is shiny like mine. I thought it was due to a bolt head keeping it clean but maybe nothing goes there.

 

[Ishrub]

Well past my Pay Grade now ..... @warp9.9 !!!

 

[tribal]

OK, problem solved.
Once Andrew "5 Rockets" Causer confirmed I had the correct bolts in the correct locations I still could not get the last short bolt to go in.

I ended up having to loosen all 19 others and drop the pan 1/8 inch in order to get the remaining short bolt in the bottom rear to thread in.

Then I started the long one in the middle hole indicated in my diagram and proceeded to snug all 21 up and then tighten them.
I have to replace the O-Rings on the Oil Tank and refill the oil but I think I'm all set with the sump for another 50,000 miles.
Thanks again Andrew!

I hate it when it's something as simple as the hole being misaligned causes so much angst, aggravation and wasted time...

 

[Kevin frazier]

OK, problem solved.
Once Andrew "5 Rockets" Causer confirmed I had the correct bolts in the correct locations I still could not get the last short bolt to go in.

I ended up having to loosen all 19 others and drop the pan 1/8 inch in order to get the remaining short bolt in the bottom rear to thread in.

Then I started the long one in the middle hole indicated in my diagram and proceeded to snug all 21 up and then tighten them.
I have to replace the O-Rings on the Oil Tank and refill the oil but I think I'm all set with the sump for another 50,000 miles.
Thanks again Andrew!

I hate it when it's something as simple as the hole being misaligned causes so much angst, aggravation and wasted time...

Yeah the ole hole not being lined up can cause a problem lol good job

 

[tribal]

Yeah the ole hole not being lined up can cause a problem lol good job

Well, I got thrown off reading other posts about two bolts and I removed 3 but was second guessing myself and the 1 of 20 had a washer too. Dealer must have put a different one on.

Plus I have 3 different Service Manuals.
servicemanual.pdf shows a sump diagram with oil drains at the ends but missing the scavenge tube.
rocket_iii_service_manual.pdf is basically the same as servicemanual.pdf
Service_Manual_R3S_C_T.pdf shows the correct diagrams = Exploded View - Sump - up to Engine Number 217501

None show where the longer bolt goes (it is the 'middle one').

Most of the dealer websites are not clear on how many of the shorter bolts are needed. Some say 1 one said 18.
Only World of Triumph showed the correct count needed = 20.

It was a good learning experience but I was glad to have a backup bike to get away when I got frustrated and ride with friends over the holiday weekend.

 

[Kevin frazier]

Well, I got thrown off reading other posts about two bolts and I removed 3 but was second guessing myself and the 1 of 20 had a washer too. Dealer must have put a different one on.

Plus I have 3 different Service Manuals.
servicemanual.pdf shows a sump diagram with oil drains at the ends but missing the scavenge tube.
rocket_iii_service_manual.pdf is basically the same as servicemanual.pdf
Service_Manual_R3S_C_T.pdf shows the correct diagrams = Exploded View - Sump - up to Engine Number 217501

None show where the longer bolt goes (it is the 'middle one').

Most of the dealer websites are not clear on how many of the shorter bolts are needed. Some say 1 one said 18.
Only World of Triumph showed the correct count needed = 20.

It was a good learning experience but I was glad to have a backup bike to get away when I got frustrated and ride with friends over the holiday weekend.

Im glad you did it, warp is always saying clean the screens people, lookin forward to seeing you in wv i was gonna get some tips for the Road Trip if i could

 

[Starmanut]

Wish I would have seen this post sooner. I went through the same thing a few months ago. Bought all new bolts and a gasket. I had a hell of a time getting all the stuck on gasket off. Other than that had no problems. My owners manual was good a showing where that long SS Bolt went.

Glad you got it done. I had no such junk under my screens. (a bit is all). So that's a good thing you did!

 

[Kevin frazier]

R-111-R uses a cardboard template numbered w size, i bet it helps a bunch he has pictures of it