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Ah, now that I've looked at the file names, I see these are all for 2014 bikes.
Ah, now that I've looked at the file names, I see these are all for 2014 bikes.
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Hi,
I have a 2011 Roadster, stock except for TORS. I've just started experimenting with tune ecu. Just come across this thread and wondered if there is now a version of the domination tune suitable for earlier roadsters now? Many thanks.
Cliff
I have a 2011 Roadster, stock except for TORS. I've just started experimenting with tune ecu. Just come across this thread and wondered if there is now a version of the domination tune suitable for earlier roadsters now? Many thanks.
Cliff
***This tune is staying up for posterity, but it has been replaced by my tune named Domination Tune, also posted in this thread. These tunes require TuneECU version 2.5.5 to open.***
EDITS:
2004-2012 version now removed following reports of it not loading correctly, working to correct the issue at this time.
2004-2012 version added
o2 On and o2 Off versions added
Scanned for viruses after a reported positive, none found using 3 engines, I suspect he had a false positive.
Hybrid Tune:
1) I have spent a pretty considerable amount of time developing this tune. It is a composite of 5 tunes, refined by data-logging using an LM-2 to collect OBD-2 Data and Wideband O2 data. The Wideband was calibrated twice before I started and once during the two week period I developed this. This will be my base tune that I will develop all tunes off of for the modifications I add to my bike.
2) The tune is designed to give a little more bite from rapid throttle position changes in the form of faster throttle response. It is slightly more rich than the stock tune with slightly more timing. The response is fantastic for my bike, hopefully your bike as well. This has been developed very near sea level elevation.
3) Developed with stock intake-tract and filter in place except the under seat snorkel, which I unscrewed as I find it lacking in both concept and execution. To pull air from an area the rider could inadvertently block with their legs is a bit questionable. Intake air temps did not suffer from removing the last portion of the snorkel, mine stay between 7-10 degree F of the ambient temp when moving, and sitting in traffic rise to about 15 F over ambient.
4) The brilliant minds out there who do this as professionals will definitely find more power in the tune. I do not have the load-cell dyno to do MBT tuning, so I prefer to run it slightly rich as a safety measure. AFR targets for tuning are in the AFR table and are very close to being what my data-logging has shown the bike to run at, with the exceptions of 100% throttle, which stays in the 12.7-12.9 range and Lean-Cruise, which runs right around 15:1 from 0%-5% throttle in the 500-640 hpa areas.
5) My mileage has gone up slightly vs the stock tune using this tune. Lean-Cruise is right around 15:1, perfectly safe and good for mileage. When flogging the bike however, this tune will almost certainly reduce your mileage a bit.
Changes from the stock 20773 tune:
* Delimit the bike for speed (186mph/299kph)
* Open Secondaries 100% all the time
* Raise Redline to 6600 from 6300
* Adjusted Fan turn on temp to 99 from 103 (personal prefference)
* Correct Speedometer error (-5.1% was dead on to my GPS)
* Adjusted F-L Switch points to percentages that make even more sense than Hybrid tune
* Raised and smoothed Ignition table to avoid sudden changes in spark timing the stock map has
* Raised and smoothed the F table to compensate for the raised ignition timing
* Reworked the L table to not be an abomination and provide very smooth fueling in all conditions
* Adjusted Idle AFR for a more stable/smooth idle. It is also very resistant to stalling
* Disabled the o2 sensor (remove the crap stock one and install a M18 plug, an oil drain plug will work or, just turn the o2 sensor back on in the tune. I found the O2 sensor caused the bike to be less smooth because the computer is targeting 14.5 AFR instead of whatever AFR makes the bike smooth and counter acting any sort of tuning in low-load scenarios)
Domination Tune:
Then tune for 2004-2012 bikes had issues apparently with loading correctly on the older ECUs, working to fix the problem at this time and will re-post when it has been corrected. Sorry for any confusion anyone may have had!
1) This tune is a derivative of the above with a rework on the ignition maps to smooth them, and with about 10 more days worth of logging work done to get the throttle response and fueling where I wanted it.
2) The fueling is a touch more rich than the above, particularly on the L-Table. This is a function of changing the F-L switch points, I feel this is a better riding experience than the Hybrid Tune and keeps the transition from happening while cruising on the freeway when you hit a hill. It will stay in the L table area until you decide it's time to pass or go hog wild high speed
3) This is the tune I use on my bike, with the o2 disabled and a block off plug installed so there is no correction, I find it's exactly what I want.
Changes from the stock 20773 tune and Hybrid Tune:
* Delimit the bike for speed (186mph/299kph)
* Open Secondaries 100% all the time
* Raise Redline to 6600 from 6300
* Adjusted Fan turn on temp to 99 from 103 (personal prefference)
* Correct Speedometer error (-5.1% was dead on to my GPS)
* Adjusted F-L Switch points to percentages that make sense (to smooth throttle response)
* Raised and smoothed Ignition table even more than Hybrid tune
* Refined the F table following the ignition remap
* Reworked the L table to not be an abomination and provide very smooth fueling in all conditions
* Adjusted Idle AFR for a more stable/smooth idle, should be right in the 14.2-14.5:1 area when warmed up. It is also very resistant to stalling now with more agresive timing below idle in the under 700 RPM area.
* Two options attached one for o2 sensor on and one for o2 sensor off.
Retard Disclaimer: This is for the newer ECU models 13+ R3s. If you put this in, and blow your **** up, don't come crying to me because it wasn't my tune that did it!
Have you tried the stock tune for TORs (20355) with the secondaries open 100% as in the new tune (20776)?
Assuming the newer tunes won't load into the older Roadsters, if there is a Domination tune for later Roadsters you like, you can copy all of the tables, one at a time, from that into an earlier tune.
MRJ
No such thing as "enough"
What a great tune to share with the group.
MY bike is an 06 so your Hybrid tune is not compatible (in theory) so what I did was blow all the set up into a 20027 and then made some adjustments to suit my turbo set up. Apart from my initial throttle being too lean and a heap of decel pops the basis of your tweaking is really good. I have added some decel fuel and some down low and the bike seems very happy with the set up. I like the consistiency of fuel VS timing to deliver a much better partial throttle response. With the turbo I run very little map above idle (pumping air in to the map sensor rather than vaccum) but I must say even with the FL set to 0 above 1900 (thus running on main tables) the bike seems very happy and crisp as evidenced by the second gear wheelstand I did from 3000rpm to cut out.. Yeehaaa..
I have played with many tunes (more for fun than anything else) and for my bike this tune proved to be good. Congrats..
MY bike is an 06 so your Hybrid tune is not compatible (in theory) so what I did was blow all the set up into a 20027 and then made some adjustments to suit my turbo set up. Apart from my initial throttle being too lean and a heap of decel pops the basis of your tweaking is really good. I have added some decel fuel and some down low and the bike seems very happy with the set up. I like the consistiency of fuel VS timing to deliver a much better partial throttle response. With the turbo I run very little map above idle (pumping air in to the map sensor rather than vaccum) but I must say even with the FL set to 0 above 1900 (thus running on main tables) the bike seems very happy and crisp as evidenced by the second gear wheelstand I did from 3000rpm to cut out.. Yeehaaa..
I have played with many tunes (more for fun than anything else) and for my bike this tune proved to be good. Congrats..
Luke
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***This tune is staying up for posterity, but it has been replaced by my tune named Domination Tune, also posted in this thread. These tunes require TuneECU version 2.5.5 to open.***
EDITS:
2004-2012 version now removed following reports of it not loading correctly, working to correct the issue at this time.
2004-2012 version added
o2 On and o2 Off versions added
Scanned for viruses after a reported positive, none found using 3 engines, I suspect he had a false positive.
Hybrid Tune:
1) I have spent a pretty considerable amount of time developing this tune. It is a composite of 5 tunes, refined by data-logging using an LM-2 to collect OBD-2 Data and Wideband O2 data. The Wideband was calibrated twice before I started and once during the two week period I developed this. This will be my base tune that I will develop all tunes off of for the modifications I add to my bike.
2) The tune is designed to give a little more bite from rapid throttle position changes in the form of faster throttle response. It is slightly more rich than the stock tune with slightly more timing. The response is fantastic for my bike, hopefully your bike as well. This has been developed very near sea level elevation.
3) Developed with stock intake-tract and filter in place except the under seat snorkel, which I unscrewed as I find it lacking in both concept and execution. To pull air from an area the rider could inadvertently block with their legs is a bit questionable. Intake air temps did not suffer from removing the last portion of the snorkel, mine stay between 7-10 degree F of the ambient temp when moving, and sitting in traffic rise to about 15 F over ambient.
4) The brilliant minds out there who do this as professionals will definitely find more power in the tune. I do not have the load-cell dyno to do MBT tuning, so I prefer to run it slightly rich as a safety measure. AFR targets for tuning are in the AFR table and are very close to being what my data-logging has shown the bike to run at, with the exceptions of 100% throttle, which stays in the 12.7-12.9 range and Lean-Cruise, which runs right around 15:1 from 0%-5% throttle in the 500-640 hpa areas.
5) My mileage has gone up slightly vs the stock tune using this tune. Lean-Cruise is right around 15:1, perfectly safe and good for mileage. When flogging the bike however, this tune will almost certainly reduce your mileage a bit.
Changes from the stock 20773 tune:
* Delimit the bike for speed (186mph/299kph)
* Open Secondaries 100% all the time
* Raise Redline to 6600 from 6300
* Adjusted Fan turn on temp to 99 from 103 (personal prefference)
* Correct Speedometer error (-5.1% was dead on to my GPS)
* Adjusted F-L Switch points to percentages that make even more sense than Hybrid tune
* Raised and smoothed Ignition table to avoid sudden changes in spark timing the stock map has
* Raised and smoothed the F table to compensate for the raised ignition timing
* Reworked the L table to not be an abomination and provide very smooth fueling in all conditions
* Adjusted Idle AFR for a more stable/smooth idle. It is also very resistant to stalling
* Disabled the o2 sensor (remove the crap stock one and install a M18 plug, an oil drain plug will work or, just turn the o2 sensor back on in the tune. I found the O2 sensor caused the bike to be less smooth because the computer is targeting 14.5 AFR instead of whatever AFR makes the bike smooth and counter acting any sort of tuning in low-load scenarios)
Domination Tune:
Then tune for 2004-2012 bikes had issues apparently with loading correctly on the older ECUs, working to fix the problem at this time and will re-post when it has been corrected. Sorry for any confusion anyone may have had!
1) This tune is a derivative of the above with a rework on the ignition maps to smooth them, and with about 10 more days worth of logging work done to get the throttle response and fueling where I wanted it.
2) The fueling is a touch more rich than the above, particularly on the L-Table. This is a function of changing the F-L switch points, I feel this is a better riding experience than the Hybrid Tune and keeps the transition from happening while cruising on the freeway when you hit a hill. It will stay in the L table area until you decide it's time to pass or go hog wild high speed
3) This is the tune I use on my bike, with the o2 disabled and a block off plug installed so there is no correction, I find it's exactly what I want.
Changes from the stock 20773 tune and Hybrid Tune:
* Delimit the bike for speed (186mph/299kph)
* Open Secondaries 100% all the time
* Raise Redline to 6600 from 6300
* Adjusted Fan turn on temp to 99 from 103 (personal prefference)
* Correct Speedometer error (-5.1% was dead on to my GPS)
* Adjusted F-L Switch points to percentages that make sense (to smooth throttle response)
* Raised and smoothed Ignition table even more than Hybrid tune
* Refined the F table following the ignition remap
* Reworked the L table to not be an abomination and provide very smooth fueling in all conditions
* Adjusted Idle AFR for a more stable/smooth idle, should be right in the 14.2-14.5:1 area when warmed up. It is also very resistant to stalling now with more agresive timing below idle in the under 700 RPM area.
* Two options attached one for o2 sensor on and one for o2 sensor off.
Retard Disclaimer: This is for the newer ECU models 13+ R3s. If you put this in, and blow your **** up, don't come crying to me because it wasn't my tune that did it!
Claviger ..... when you disabled your O2 sensor, did you disconnect the plug and insert an O2 eliminator in the plug to complete the connection, or did you simply leave it unplugged and uncheck the O2 in the table? I was lead to believe if the O2 box was checked and the sensor was still on the bike that the ECU would continue to try and readjust the AFR. Is this correct? It seems logical to me that the system would read the fuel map and not readjust the AFR if the box was unchecked and the sensor was still in the exhaust pipe. What am I missing? The reason I am asking if that I loaded your Domination Tune with sensor on and after about 5-10 minutes of riding I starting getting some hesitation below 2500 rpm with light throttle on my 2013 R3R. Almost as if the settings were being changed as I rode. Started off great when I left the house but very soon started feeling less and less power unless I cranked on the throttle. Any help or clarification would be welcome.
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See 1st post.
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Claviger
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Let me know what you think please
Let me know what you think please
I'd also like to know if this is true , i have O2 sensor turned off in map but should i also remove it from the exhaust ? I have the bolt to plug it , is there some sort of wiring harness to blank the sensor off from the electrical harness ?
You don't need to remove it. Presumably, by unchecking the sensor box, TuneECU is telling the ECU never to use the signal from the O2 sensor and to rely solely on the fuel tables.
I would take it out and this is what I used
Oxygen lambda o2 sensor eliminator Complete kit Triumph Rocket III/3
