Wow talk about difference just got home from doing some shopping with Ann and read your post
@cusso ken which made me think .."Sh!t I have not even tried on the black and grey Triumph brand shirt like the one Ken is talking about which are different to the new shirt, I also got the XXL shirt same as Ken it is a smaller sizing to give a comparison the XL shirt I tried on this morning at Verna's is actually bigger than the XXL Triumph brand shirt.
As I said before I am a XXL and the XL shirt the (the $47 one we are using for these shirts) I tried on is bigger than the Triumph brand Shirt yet the older Triumph Blue and black shirt I got a couple of years ago is a good fit.
So Steve please use the guide in my first post to calulate your size or get a comfortable shirt and lay it out measure armpit to arm pit and send me that measurement